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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #21
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #22
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Oh damn! I didn't even realize that it applies to the government unions as well! Only exemptions are police and firefighters!


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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #23
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Only exemptions are police and firefighters!

Why are those unions protected?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:59 AM   #24
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never worked for a union company but certainly shared jobsites with union companys when I worked in a few diffrent industries, and IMO it just promotes lazyness and a less than average work ethic because you know you got big brother to run and whine to and everything will be good. Puts too many politics into a job and it becomes a big mess for a manager or supervisor to get ANY extra work or hard work peroid out of employees, they are just contracted to do so much work and after that they can say no(UAW), which is a bunch of shit and no wonder big companys are taking their work out of the country.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #25
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Senate Minority Leader Gretchen Whitmer, D-East Lansing is giving her "oh no, the gravy train of union campaign $$$ will dry up" face.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #26
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I was disappointed to see on the news that a number of Democrats simply walked out of the session instead of casting a vote - repeating a pattern established in WI recently when similar legislation was being voted on. How does that benefit the people who elected them (or in my case the guy I am stuck with because everyone else in town voted for him)? I can see standing up for your principles, and I can respect that even if I don't agree with your position, but I don't see how walking out and not representing any of your constituents accomplishes anything other than ?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #27
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Prevailing wage on Gov't projects should be the next to go.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #28
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Old December 7th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #29
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:13 PM   #30
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Senate Minority Leader Gretchen Whitmer, D-East Lansing is giving her "oh no, the gravy train of union campaign $$$ will dry up" face.
She was the only person the news (Fox47) interviewed last night. They had her on there 3 or 4 times whining about the passed legislation. So yeah, You're right "My money's going bye bye" look.

I'm glad it passed. Unions are good sometimes but I think this legislation is good because it gives the employee a choice to be in one or not.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:24 PM   #31
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I am really on the fence about the union debate. Too many of them are the sterotypical money grabbers that support crappy employees and club the businesses into meeting their demands. That is, until they fold, like Hostess did. I can't remember the last time I bought anything Hostess anyway--cost way too much compared to Little Debbie. However, I was a union employee for UPS when I worked there as a second job at night. The dues were only 1.5 times my hourly wage per pay period--hardly a big deal. I never had any reason to hide behind the union or use it as a club, but I know management would mention it sometimes and temper their attitude when they were getting unreasonable.
Ironically, I have an ebay store and in the last 5 years have never shipped UPS. I use FedEx--it is cheaper. So I guess all of you that believe in free market capitalism and hate unions should realize the things you hate about them eventually will be their undoing. US automakers can only support line workers making $30 hour putting nut A on bolt B for so long before Kia who pays their people $15 takes market share based on cost. And the right to work states do have on average 9% lower wages for comparable jobs than union states. Which is better? Both sides have a point and wages will go down without the union. And there is no proof RTW will add jobs.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #32
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Why are those unions protected?
theoretically both services are where colleagues are in situations where one could potentially literally have a colleague's life in one's hands.

if you have a union-hold-out on a force that is largely union based, the tension/friction isn't just to the point of being inefficient, but could impact critical life saving efforts provided to the public and/or to each other on the force.


edit: it also could have created an even larger protest where men/women in uniform have a "sick-in" and show up in force, wearing uniforms and creates some seriously bad P.R. for those electeds voting for this bill.

next election cycle: "so and so is anti public safety" with a photo of them protesting in the background...
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:48 PM   #33
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I belong to a union and im proud of it. Yes we do have some lazy people and they spend the majority of the year laid off because of it. I work my ass off everyday and i cant complain about my pay or benifets. I will pay my 45 dollars a month in dues for the healthcare plan, pay rate and pension plans we have. I am about 6 months away from finishing my apprenticship and when im done ill have no student loans to pay back and a good base of know how to hopfully have a long career. It is a choice that is not for everyone. But from my expierience i dont know why some hate them so much.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:58 PM   #34
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But from my expierience i dont know why some hate them so much.
Cause lazy, unproductive, and problematic people shouldnt just be laid off they should and would be jobless at any other non union company, at least a smart company with good leadership. Its not whats better for the company anymore and it should be within reason, it costs companys extra money to train these idiots in the first place and then have to pay more to keep them laid off cause they cant just fire them, sounds great does it? Even though a GM factory(just an example) needs to recieve lets say an extra parts truck shipment to push out more cars, but cant because the union dock workers only have to unload 5 trucks on their shift and they have already so they cant be asked to work extra even tho they are all standing around not doing shit. The plant brings someone else down to unload the truck and their in trouble. So what happens? The company suffers again cause they cant control their employee's the way employers should be able to IMO without going though a bunch of bullshit.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #35
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Cause lazy, unproductive, and problematic people shouldnt just be laid off they should and would be jobless at any other non union company, at least a smart company with good leadership. Its not whats better for the company anymore and it should be within reason, it costs companys extra money to train these idiots in the first place and then have to pay more to keep them laid off cause they cant just fire them, sounds great does it? Even though a GM factory(just an example) needs to recieve lets say an extra parts truck shipment to push out more cars, but cant because the union dock workers only have to unload 5 trucks on their shift and they have already so they cant be asked to work extra even tho they are all standing around not doing shit. The plant brings someone else down to unload the truck and their in trouble. So what happens? The company suffers again cause they cant control their employee's the way employers should be able to IMO without going though a bunch of bullshit.

Well i am not in the uaw and i dont know.how they work. Our shop is run just like anywere else, if your not pulling your weight your not gonna.last long at all. Im not for.protecting the lazy because in turn that means i will have to work harder to pick up the slack. I also do feel that someone that dropped out of highschool and puts a couple nuts on some studs over and over all day long should be 30 dollars an hour. Its to bad that everyone who hears union thinks uaw because they seem to have given themselfs a bad name. I cant even even remember how many times ive been on a job and the place were working for has asked, hey we just had something come up and we need you guys to stay and help. Never is there an arguement, i mean who doesnt like overtime anyway.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:40 PM   #36
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WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!4!7!!!!!3231!!!!!!!!!!!! lolzzz

Unions were started for good reason. They will now be controlled by there users, for good reason!!
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #37
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Again, the key point is that unions will still be around - the only change is that workers will have a choice whether they want to belong or not.

Why is that so bad? How is giving workers a choice "anti-worker"?

If the unions are doing their jobs, the dues are a bargain, and workers would gladly pay them.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #38
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Unions are not all bad. I used to be a union iron worker. Pay was good Benny's were good. I find most people that are against unions have never been part of a union. And I find them to pissed off or jealous of the fact they are not. With that being said.

The company I used to work for my brother still does. He is a Forman their. Well they had a contract to put up windmills all over the country. Then some hill jack in Alabama thought they didn't need to use my brothers company (they used scab labor)for there windmill. And all was good they got it done cheaper and three months after it was completed one of the blades broke off of it.

Come to find out the hill jacks in Alabama did not tighten it properly. So the whole windmill had damage. So they had to get a new windmill and oh guess what they called up my brothers Union company to redo it. Turns out that the non union guys were not trained correctly and it ended up costing the company millions of dollars.

So my point is some unions take the time to train their employees to do the job correctly. As for why I'm not with the union is I choose to leave so I didn't have to do the heights. I'm terrified.

So I say to you that want a rtw state go live elsewhere. And see his well you prosper.

The uaw is what gives the bad name to unions IMO. Anytime some worthless pos can make a 100k a year and get high at work is not correct in my book. I believe they need to have more stringent drug testing polices.
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I at people that think because someone isn't in a union they are scab workers and are somehow inferior and/or did not receive the proper training. Master plumbers and electricians working at non union companies come to mind.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #40
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Unions are not all bad. I used to be a union iron worker. Pay was good Benny's were good. I find most people that are against unions have never been part of a union. And I find them to pissed off or jealous of the fact they are not. With that being said.

The company I used to work for my brother still does. He is a Forman their. Well they had a contract to put up windmills all over the country. Then some hill jack in Alabama thought they didn't need to use my brothers company (they used scab labor)for there windmill. And all was good they got it done cheaper and three months after it was completed one of the blades broke off of it.

Come to find out the hill jacks in Alabama did not tighten it properly. So the whole windmill had damage. So they had to get a new windmill and oh guess what they called up my brothers Union company to redo it. Turns out that the non union guys were not trained correctly and it ended up costing the company millions of dollars.

So my point is some unions take the time to train their employees to do the job correctly. As for why I'm not with the union is I choose to leave so I didn't have to do the heights. I'm terrified.

So I say to you that want a rtw state go live elsewhere. And see his well you prosper.

The uaw is what gives the bad name to unions IMO. Anytime some worthless pos can make a 100k a year and get high at work is not correct in my book. I believe they need to have more stringent drug testing polices.
I am a non union pipe welder and the weld test I have to pass is harder than the union version. I guess that is because of all of their training that I don't have as an uneducated, borderline retarded, worthless scab......

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