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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #1
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I'm pretty pumped!!

Suck on that one union boys. What's going to happen when you can't extort dues?

Long way to go but a step in the right direction!!
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #2
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what is your issue with a high standard of living and a safer working environment?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #3
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I'm pretty sure that Drew rooted for Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:42 AM   #4
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The right to work has nothing to do with the above statement, but the unions want you to believe that, and you do because you are brain washed. I've never been apart of a union and never will be. I don't need to pay an organization to help me keep my job or negotiate my wages, I can do that myself. I've dealt with unions before and that's why I have a sour attitude towards them. It makes me lol everyone thinks we are going back to work environment standards from 1901 because this law is being passed. Idiots.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:43 AM   #5
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i am for and against unions
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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:46 AM   #6
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The right to work has nothing to do with the above statement, but the unions want you to believe that, and you do because you are brain washed. I've never been apart of a union and never will be. I don't need to pay an organization to help me keep my job or negotiate my wages, I can do that myself. I've dealt with unions before and that's why I have a sour attitude towards them. It makes me lol everyone thinks we are going back to work environment standards from 1901 because this law is being passed. Idiots.
this im in a union now and hate that it fights so hard for the piece of shit people but cant help a guy who has payed dues for 25years with a contract for a new promotion
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:11 AM   #7
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With out unions we would not have the work enviroment we have today, Thank you for that, but please get up and do something, you dont deserve anything, you still have to earn your wage and those who are not should not be rewarded because everyone else is. Im not saying that all union works are bad, most are great people and work really hard, but the 10% that take advantage of the system need to be removed by it instead of being protected by it.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:15 AM   #8
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IMHO unions have done a great service for the workers when unions were in their formative years. now it seems unions are more worried about their ability to wield power in politics than anything else. their membership is down therefore their income via dues is down therefore their ability to fund their PAC's [regardless of membership feelings about how their dues are spent] is hurting. it's ALL politics now. am tired hearing the UAW president talk about conservatives doing stuff at "the expense of the workers". bet he's not crying about his 6-figure salary [http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2...laries-exposed]! and i agree with bigbchevy about the union's protecting the POS employee. the union feels it has to otherwise it can be sued for "failure to represent" and god knows they don't want to rid themselves of a dues paying member [just like it's hard as hell to get rid of a bad (unionize) teacher.] they can spend your dues on PACs but not on a lawyer to defend themselve against an angry member.

and thus i end my rant.

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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #9
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Good. Suck it unions.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:23 AM   #10
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #11
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Hmmm..... I made really good money and had an awesome benefits package when I worked at Dow yet, I did not belong to a Union. Oh ya, I have an education and developed skills and abilities that made me more valuable to my employer without the use of Union extortion to artifically prop up my wage.
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Hmmm..... I made really good money and had an awesome benefits package when I worked at Dow yet, I did not belong to a Union. Oh ya, I have an education and developed skills and abilities that made me more valuable to my employer without the use of Union extortion to artifically prop up my wage.
obviously you DO NOT belong in the new America. don't you know you're ENTITLED to all kinds of free sh*t without having to work for it?

why is it greed when i want to keep what I've earned and it's not greed when someone else wants what I've earned?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:37 AM   #14
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Thank your Grand fathers Union generation for the standards most have today, kick your fathers union generation in the nuts for pissing away the hard work of their fathers . . . todays unions still have the ability to right their own chapter, but I have a feeling they will fight for the losers and do nothing for those that actually need the union because they are all brainwashed like Foxworthy1102.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:55 AM   #15
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Right to work does nothing to eliminate unions. Unions are alive and well in right to work states like IN.

It simply gives individual workers the right to choose whether or not they join one at their place of employment, instead of it being part of the employment compact as it is today.

At risk are unions who's members don't see the value of membership. It also makes unions more accountable to their memberships - pay the CEO millions of $ and pour millions of union $ into political campaigns members might not agree with, and you could lose membership (and dues)...
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Right to work does nothing to eliminate unions. Unions are alive and well in right to work states like IN.

It simply gives individual workers the right to choose whether or not they join one at their place of employment, instead of it being part of the employment compact as it is today.

At risk are unions who's members don't see the value of membership. It also makes unions more accountable to their memberships - pay the CEO millions of $ and pour millions of union $ into political campaigns members might not agree with, and you could lose membership (and dues)...
OBVIOUSLY you have missed the point. "workers" are NOT capable of thinking or fending for themselves. unions have a RIGHT to perpetual existence at someone else's expense. if you let the unions go out of business, think of the mass unemployment. and with their specific skill sets what would they do to make a living? join a union, the job you save may not be your own!
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what is your issue with a high standard of living and a safer working environment?
Nothing.

The high standard of living is brought to you by capitalism - take a look at states like MS, NC, SC, and see what it looks like to have people working, businesses thriving, and economies growing. Mobile AL is surrounded by new construction as plants are going up to build airliners, drones, SUVs, and parts for all of the above. Roads are filled with new cars and real estate values are going up. People's wages there are the same (or higher) than they are here. Look at Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Subaru, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz: their workers continue to reject the UAW because they already make UAW wages with UAW benefits - without UAW interference or job-killing. Those plants are all located where they are to avoid the MI entitlement mentality that the unions have bred into the workforce.

Safe workplaces are courtesy of OSHA, state OSHAs, and employers who want to avoid loss productivity and other costs - safety makes business sense. The days of unions driving safety have passed.
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OBVIOUSLY you have missed the point. "workers" are NOT capable of thinking or fending for themselves. unions have a RIGHT to perpetual existence at someone else's expense. if you let the unions go out of business, think of the mass unemployment. and with their specific skill sets what would they do to make a living? join a union, the job you save may not be your own!
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Nothing.

their workers continue to reject the UAW because they already make UAW wages with UAW benefits - without UAW interference or job-killing.

in my work experience the union added untold costs to the auto industry. none of the union representatives in the plants/offices i dealt with did any productive work. being a union rep was a full-time job with a fully paid (by the company) wage and benefits package. AND they were the first people scheduled for overtime so they "could preform their representation duties" for the workers working OT. there were area union reps., full time local union officers (also on the company benefits and payroll plans), full time health and safety reps, benefits reps, etc. when i dealt with the union there were over 40 full time union reps at one site receiving full pay and benefits paid by the company and they were not contributing one minute of productive time to the making of product. and many of the dues paying constituents laughed at the union reps and their clownish behavior. the constituents kept electing the same bozos because they liked watching the reps make fools of themselves. and i must admit, the company played a big roll in facilitating this situation. they were/are too fearful of taking a strike over some bull sh*t made up grievences and loosing big $ which can add up to thou$and$ for each vehicle not built.
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