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Old December 5th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #1
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Been lookin round the interwebs, and have been unable to come up with the information I need.

When does a rifle have to be registered as a pistol?

I mean is there an overal legnth and or barrel length that determine this?

any links to factual reading would be appreciated as well
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Old December 5th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #2
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18" or less barrel, overall length of <30"

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...elShotguns.pdf
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Old December 5th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #3
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Any firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches is registered as a pistol. And in the state of MI, anything registered as a pistol cannot have a butt stock, AKA a "short barrel rifle." They are not legal here, yet. Other states can register then, but require a federal tax stamp to be purchased.

Above is correct for shotguns, no less than 18. Rifles are 16.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 12:58 PM   #4
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so rifle with 17" barrel, but 29" overall length is considered a pistol?
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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #5
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They are not legal here, yet.
I haven't looked into it and didn't know that.

It's too bad, as it would be a work around to allow CPL holders to carry a rifle in their vehicle.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #6
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SBRs are not legal in Michigan, but there was someone who was pushing to make then so. And if I recall correctly, there are people who have a CPL and carry an AR15 pistol in their vehicles, but they cannot have a butt stock.

I was hoping they would allow SBRs soon, along with the legislation to no longer require a MI background check for a pistol purchase permit, just the NICS. At least we can have suppressors now.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:37 PM   #7
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I just did some light reading, it seems:

In MI, anything that has a stock and can operate at a length less than 30 inches (folding stock) requires it to be registered as a pistol, however if it falls below 26 inches MI considers it a SBR, which is outlawed in MI.

Federally, only anything below the barrel length limits needs to be registered as a SBR, which is illegal in MI.

If I got it correctly, it seems if you have a rifle shorter than 30" but longer than 26" (with a barrel longer than the federal limit of 16") it is something that can be registered as a pistol in MI and not considered a SBR by the state or fed.

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http://www.migunowners.org/forum/index.php?

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Last I heard There is no such thing as registering a short long gun as pistol anymore. That went away in september.
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Last I heard There is no such thing as registering a short long gun as pistol anymore. That went away in september.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #12
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Last I heard There is no such thing as registering a short long gun as pistol anymore. That went away in September.
Actually the end date is December 31st 2012 .
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Old December 5th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #13
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some good info and some bad info in some of these posts...here are the facts, pistols are under 30" in length. You cannot attach a butt stock or front grip to a pistol. Shotguns cannot have a barrel under 18" and an must have an overall length of 26" or greater. Rifles must have barrel over 16" and be not less than 26" overall. A short barrel rifle is any rifle with a barrel under 16" OR an overall length of 26". Violate any one of these you and you have yourself a felony. But don't take my word for because I have no idea what I'm talking about...oh, and you cannot register a rifle as a pistol(at least in MI)

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Old December 5th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #14
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some good info and some bad info in some of these posts...here are the facts, pistols are under 30" in length. You cannot attach a butt stock or front grip to a pistol. Shotguns cannot have a barrel under 18" and an must have an overall length of 26" or greater. Rifles must have barrel over 16" and be not less than 26" overall. A short barrel rifle is any rifle with a barrel under 16" OR an overall length of 26". Violate any one of these you and you have yourself a felony. But don't take my word for because I have no idea what I'm talking about...oh, and you cannot register a rifle as a pistol(at least in MI)
The part in red changes 1/01/2013

This is the law that is current till the end of the year .
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3. Do rifles or shotguns with collapsible/folding stocks have to be registered in Michigan?

MCL 750.222 Yes, provided the rifle or shotgun is 30 inches or less in overall length with the stock collapsed/folded but at least 26 inches and the barrel length is at least 16 inches and 18 inches respectively. Attorney General's opinion #6280: if the firearm is less than 26 inches in overall length or the barrel is less than 16 or 18 inches respectively, the firearm is considered a short-barreled rifle or shotgun and is illegal to possess. MCL 750.224d There is an exception for short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles which the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has found to be a curio, relic, antique, museum piece, or collector's item not likely to be used as a weapon.
I'm too lazy to track down the new law it shows the new law but I found mention of it here. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(02m...me=mcl-750-222

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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #15
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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #16
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AR pistols do not have a stock so they can be any length.

Add a stock then you MUST have a minimum 16" barrel and a minimum OAL of 26 inches. If either one of these conditions is not met you have an illegal SBR.

A Michigan Pistol has a 16" or greater barrel, WITH STOCK, that measures between 26" and 30" in its shortest OPERABLE form (in other words, if you fold the stock and it cannot function folded then it is not a MI Pistol. The MI Pistol will cease to exist on 12-31-12.

This is the easiest way I know to explain it.
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...=204419&page=4
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Sounds like I better buy myself a few Christmas presents this year then.
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The part in red changes 1/01/2013

This is the law that is current till the end of the year .


I'm too lazy to track down the new law it shows the new law but I found mention of it here. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(02m...me=mcl-750-222
it may or may not change...laws are written like this all the time, but are not changed...look at the limits for OUIL...every year its says next year it's going to change back to .10 from .08...and it never happens..as of right now I have not seen a legal update on it, so I suspect it will not change. The MSP is VERY good at getting legal updates about these kinds of things
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some good info and some bad info in some of these posts...here are the facts, pistols are under 30" in length. You cannot attach a butt stock or front grip to a pistol. Shotguns cannot have a barrel under 18" and an must have an overall length of 26" or greater. Rifles must have barrel over 16" and be not less than 26" overall. A short barrel rifle is any rifle with a barrel under 16" OR an overall length of 26". Violate any one of these you and you have yourself a felony. But don't take my word for because I have no idea what I'm talking about...oh, and you cannot register a rifle as a pistol(at least in MI)
This is where the confusion starts...

1) Pistols are under 30"
2) Shotguns must be greater than 26"
3) Rifles must be greater than 26"

And then its stated that "pistols" cannot have a butt stock or front grip. That's 4" of "no mans land," and would be why people get confused...
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some good info and some bad info in some of these posts...here are the facts, pistols are under 30" in length. You cannot attach a butt stock or front grip to a pistol. Shotguns cannot have a barrel under 18" and an must have an overall length of 26" or greater.
As defined does "front grip" include a forearm for racking a pump shotgun? I.e. if I put a pistol grip on a shotgun with an 18.5" barrel resulting in a 28" OAL - can't that (/wouldn't that have to) be registered as a pistol, at least until the change in law?

And if I understand correctly, and the law does change on the 1st, then that under 30" pistol definition will be changed to under 26" and the gun described above will just be a regular shotgun unless previously registered as a pistol? Point being that you wouldn't be able to carry it loaded (with CPL) inside a vehicle unless registered as a pistol under current law?

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