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Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:36 AM   #41
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Ive shot out to 1540 with a 308 and punched .5" steel crows in hubbard lake. 700 sps accurized, different barrel, 8 oz trigger, machined mcmillan stock, leupold straight 16x scope (best distance scope for quality). Thats around 7k$ of gun.



If you have $7,000 into that set up you got ripped off like no one I have ever seen before.

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I can count out over 4500$ in parts without labor, Before you call bullshit I suggest you check this guy out -

Al's Guns
2127 W Maria Road
Hubbard Lake, MI 49747

Driving up there to see what he specializes in and the end result was simply amazing. His business in a whole other class of shooting to what you guys are considering. The range is a large farm field on the south end of Wolf Creek Rd in Hubbard Lake.
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I can count out over 4500$ in parts without labor, Before you call bullshit I suggest you check this guy out -

Al's Guns
2127 W Maria Road
Hubbard Lake, MI 49747

Driving up there to see what he specializes in and the end result was simply amazing. His business in a whole other class of shooting to what you guys are considering. The range is a large farm field on the south end of Wolf Creek Rd in Hubbard Lake.
What do you have done to it? My custom mcm Stock was 800, leapold lrt was 1250, barrels are a few hundred, badger mounts and base 300 ext... I have 4500 total into the gun and that is 100% custom built. What parts do you have that total 4500?

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all of this for someone who can think they can hit a target at 1000yrds....thats a tough shot even for the pros
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all of this for someone who can think they can hit a target at 1000yrds....thats a tough shot even for the pros
Using .308 Win hell yes it is!

That is one wild claim and $7500 on a Rem 700 build is absolutely ridiculous. Like I said... You got ripped off like no one I have ever seen before.

I can provide links to rifles for sale now or even a build quote for a MUCH higher end rifle for thousands less that use absolute top of the line components and the work is done by gunsmiths that are recognized around the world for their craftsmanship, knowledge and overall excellence.

I have no doubt that that guy can make a great rifle but using off the shelf parts on a Remington action with a fixed magnification Leupold for $7500? That's damn near criminal.

You can "count" $4500 in part without labor? Gonna need some specs on that build
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the gun we were shooting was another one of his customers, who was there with us. I was considering joining into their group but it was too much money for a kid fresh out of college with a mountain of debt.

I'll recount as best I can:
stainless 700 sps right hand sa with the magazine, jewel target trigger, green mcmillan stock, leupold 16x scope (120 moa adjustability), douglass heavy contour stainless barrel, angled picatiny rail, etc.

jewel the bolt, flute the barrel, crown barrel, thread and fit the barrel, lap barrel, machine the stock pillars perfectly level, true the action, lap the scope mounts, change the bolt handle, polish everything and change from blued to titanium, tune the trigger, figure out the best load for accuracy, get a fancy paratrooper case to look tacticool...$$ adds up fast when you hire a job done by anyone.
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If he is including the scope (a very high end scope) maybe ? Take this gun http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precis...spitaller.htmland a Schmidt Bender scope Your still under ?
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the gun we were shooting was another one of his customers, who was there with us. I was considering joining into their group but it was too much money for a kid fresh out of college with a mountain of debt.

I'll recount as best I can:
stainless 700 sps right hand sa with the magazine, jewel target trigger, green mcmillan stock, leupold 16x scope (120 moa adjustability), douglass heavy contour stainless barrel, angled picatiny rail, etc.

jewel the bolt, flute the barrel, crown barrel, thread and fit the barrel, lap barrel, machine the stock pillars perfectly level, true the action, lap the scope mounts, change the bolt handle, polish everything and change from blued to titanium, tune the trigger, figure out the best load for accuracy, get a fancy paratrooper case to look tacticool...$$ adds up fast when you hire a job done by anyone.
Still nowhere close to what they told you. It sounds like a damn nice rifle but not even close to the right tool for the range you were talking about.
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savage edge! I've found them to be a great little affordable rifle.
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the gun we were shooting was another one of his customers, who was there with us. I was considering joining into their group but it was too much money for a kid fresh out of college with a mountain of debt.

I'll recount as best I can:
stainless 700 sps right hand sa with the magazine, jewel target trigger, green mcmillan stock, leupold 16x scope (120 moa adjustability), douglass heavy contour stainless barrel, angled picatiny rail, etc.

jewel the bolt, flute the barrel, crown barrel, thread and fit the barrel, lap barrel, machine the stock pillars perfectly level, true the action, lap the scope mounts, change the bolt handle, polish everything and change from blued to titanium, tune the trigger, figure out the best load for accuracy, get a fancy paratrooper case to look tacticool...$$ adds up fast when you hire a job done by anyone.
Nice but that's not 4500 in parts. Sounds like a very similar build to mine.

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Most post in this thread are why I "forgot" about it. I didn't forget about it but after some good information it eneded up like most GL4x4 threads of different people trying to explain how large their E pennis is.
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Most post in this thread are why I "forgot" about it. I didn't forget about it but after some good information it eneded up like most GL4x4 threads of different people trying to explain how large their E pennis is.
like you thinking you are going to 1000yrds...thats funny
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like you thinking you are going to 1000yrds...thats funny
I know, not think. Shooting isn't that difficult with the right equipment and a little brains to adjust for the elements. I guess there are just a lot of dumb people who shoot.
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OK Chief some of us are easily baited into arguing over this stuff but hey it is a discussion forum right ?

There's two ways to reach your goal buy the gun you want $$$ all at once . The other way is to buy a basic Savage or Remington start shooting then add the parts and work to bring the gun around.
I started out with a Remington PSS and a cheap scope . My friends and I spend a week out west shooting prairie dogs so I would drag my .308 out to shoot. I upgraded the scope mounts , scope and had trigger work done. Everything I did would make it shoot some what better but I wanted more accuracy .
My Remington had the 1 in 12 twist and wouldn't shoot the heavy bullets well enough long range . I didn't like the HS stock and I wanted a muzzle brake. This is where I had to decide dump more monies into a factory gun or build the gun I really wanted. The direction I was going the action would only part left.
I had a gun built and I'm glad I did. After shooting other peoples firearms I found a stock that fit me , I knew how heavy a gun i wanted and found the glass I wanted. Once I get the gun coated I'll have 3500 into it . I just spent 1500 on a scope for it. The firearm hobby is no different then the 4x4 hobby. It cost to go big.
Now on to Hancho's comments. He's right about the .308 at a thousand . You can ring steel at a grand with a .308 I've done it. It's not easy you need to have your form down and have your load tuned. If you can keep all that together then you have the wind to fight. I was shooting and ringing steel on the 1000 yard target with ease. I went to get a drink and got back in to shoot and was hitting the dirt in front of the target. I didn't notice the tail wind had stopped . Did some figuring on my phone and that slight tail wind was carrying my bullet three foot higher ! I made some adjustments and I was ringing steel. I think anyone with basic shooting skills could get behind my rifle and ring steel provided all the other work was done.
What Hancho should tell you is there are much better calibers for the distance you want to shoot. My shooting partner went from a 6.5 Creedmore to a 6.5x47 then on to a 300 wm . What his findings are is you need a long heavy chunk of lead spun fast to reach the long targets.
I would buy that .308 cause everyone should have one . Shoot at 100,200,300,400 etc. If you enjoy the hobby and don't like the performance of your .308 there's a reason to buy another rifle.
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I know, not think. Shooting isn't that difficult with the right equipment and a little brains to adjust for the elements. I guess there are just a lot of dumb people who shoot.
That kind of thinking will lead to disappointment in more areas of life than just shooting.


.308 for anything inside of 800 is great. Anything 1000+ and you need to seriously educate yourself.

The round has been superceded many times over the years for a reason that anyone with basic Google-Fu can learn.
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OK Chief some of us are easily baited into arguing over this stuff but hey it is a discussion forum right ?

There's two ways to reach your goal buy the gun you want $$$ all at once . The other way is to buy a basic Savage or Remington start shooting then add the parts and work to bring the gun around.
I started out with a Remington PSS and a cheap scope . My friends and I spend a week out west shooting prairie dogs so I would drag my .308 out to shoot. I upgraded the scope mounts , scope and had trigger work done. Everything I did would make it shoot some what better but I wanted more accuracy .
My Remington had the 1 in 12 twist and wouldn't shoot the heavy bullets well enough long range . I didn't like the HS stock and I wanted a muzzle brake. This is where I had to decide dump more monies into a factory gun or build the gun I really wanted. The direction I was going the action would only part left.
I had a gun built and I'm glad I did. After shooting other peoples firearms I found a stock that fit me , I knew how heavy a gun i wanted and found the glass I wanted. Once I get the gun coated I'll have 3500 into it . I just spent 1500 on a scope for it. The firearm hobby is no different then the 4x4 hobby. It cost to go big.
Now on to Hancho's comments. He's right about the .308 at a thousand . You can ring steel at a grand with a .308 I've done it. It's not easy you need to have your form down and have your load tuned. If you can keep all that together then you have the wind to fight. I was shooting and ringing steel on the 1000 yard target with ease. I went to get a drink and got back in to shoot and was hitting the dirt in front of the target. I didn't notice the tail wind had stopped . Did some figuring on my phone and that slight tail wind was carrying my bullet three foot higher ! I made some adjustments and I was ringing steel. I think anyone with basic shooting skills could get behind my rifle and ring steel provided all the other work was done.
What Hancho should tell you is there are much better calibers for the distance you want to shoot. My shooting partner went from a 6.5 Creedmore to a 6.5x47 then on to a 300 wm . What his findings are is you need a long heavy chunk of lead spun fast to reach the long targets.
I would buy that .308 cause everyone should have one . Shoot at 100,200,300,400 etc. If you enjoy the hobby and don't like the performance of your .308 there's a reason to buy another rifle.
People read way into statements on the internet. I will be mostly using the 600yrd range with the .308 and will work to be accurate but I do plan on taging the metal at 1000yrds and that'll make me happy.

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.308 for anything inside of 800 is great. Anything 1000+ and you need to seriously educate yourself.

The round has been superceded many times over the years for a reason that anyone with basic Google-Fu can learn.
And so has the price which is why I'd like to stick with the .308

I'm not sure why confidence will lead to dissapointments in life? I'm also sorry that you believe it takes a lot to be a great shooter. If you can control your breathing, trigger and understand basic math with both how the bullet travels and what the elements will do to it you should not have much problems.

It's not my job therefore I don't worry about taking some dude out at 1000yrds or knowing that this is my only shot. If that was the case then I would look at far more expensive ordinace such as the .338 or .416 and the super expensive guns that shoot it.

Or in other words . . . I'm just looking to have fun!



For those with advice given I do appricaite it.

for the rest - Please continue arguing with each other.

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change from blued to titanium
I hear alchemy is pretty expensive these days. This is where the $$$ must have really racked up. Changing it from blued steel to aluminum is much cheaper though ...

To the rest who think shooting 1000y with 308 is tough, go take a class. A long range precision course will have you consistently ringing steel in a day or so. If you have the right equipment and ammo.
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I truly do not believe there are any "snipers" who would believe a .308 will do any more than 800 yards, as they loose stability when they drop sub sonic, so that is the reasonable limit.

I can not wait to try out my new toy, I have a 12" pipe flange that sings out like the liberty bell when tagged.

I can get 360 yards on my property, 600 if I shoot onto the neighbors, and I believe if I get elevated in a truck I can get 880, but it is difficult because of the rolling hills.

I have shot old propane tanks with my 270 at 800 years ago, after a few tries, seeing the dirt fly you realize the 100 inches of elevation needed, is at the bottom of the scope.

I have not been able to have access to a field big enough to go long in many years with out making special arrangements, nor have I had something accurate enough to try it.

My 22-250 is great to a 1/4 mile, beyound that wind drift and bullet consistancy is terrible.
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People read way into statements on the internet. I will be mostly using the 600yrd range with the .308 and will work to be accurate but I do plan on taging the metal at 1000yrds and that'll make me happy.

if by some chance you do hit a target at 1000, it will be by accident and not repeatable.
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if by some chance you do hit a target at 1000, it will be by accident and not repeatable.
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