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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #21
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Anyone else notice that ChiefWoohaw forgot about his post?
He forgot that he's really a hippy liberal gun hating douchebag.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #22
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Ever heard of a Palma Match? It is done all the time.
I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said good luck...as in that is not an easy shot even for the experts...so again...HAHAHAHHAhahaha, good luck with that!!
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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #23
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I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said good luck...as in that is not an easy shot even for the experts...so again...HAHAHAHHAhahaha, good luck with that!!
That's what makes it fun pushing a bullet further than its meant for. Hell anyone can shoot a group at 300 yards with a .308.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #24
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That's what makes it fun pushing a bullet further than its meant for. Hell anyone can shoot a group at 300 yards with a .308.
no, sorry they can't...most decent shooters would be able to hit the target at 300yds, however, most good shooters would not be able to put a good group together...there is alot more to shooting than pulling the trigger
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Old November 30th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #25
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no, sorry they can't...most decent shooters would be able to hit the target at 300yds, however, most good shooters would not be able to put a good group together...there is alot more to shooting than pulling the trigger
You can believe what you want but if they are actually a good shooter 300 yards is not a difficult task in any way for a .308.

The .308's abilities are stretched around 800. 1000 is simply for a good challenge on a target/steel.

If you really want to reach out to 1000 or past you need to start looking at other calibers. Can you hit it with a .308? Most likely yes. Will you hit it first shot, cold bore? Most likely not.

To completely discount .308 Win in the hands of a capable, trained shooter using handloads and a high quality rifle is complete ignorance and I can gladly provide evidence of your folly.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #26
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no, sorry they can't...most decent shooters would be able to hit the target at 300yds, however, most good shooters would not be able to put a good group together...there is alot more to shooting than pulling the trigger
The most standard target is 12x12 . If said shooter can't put a group on there at 300 with a decent .308 he should go home. Now take that 12x12 at a grand yes there is alot more to it than pulling the trigger .
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Old November 30th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #27
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You can believe what you want but if they are actually a good shooter 300 yards is not a difficult task in any way for a .308.

The .308's abilities are stretched around 800. 1000 is simply for a good challenge on a target/steel.

If you really want to reach out to 1000 or past you need to start looking at other calibers. Can you hit it with a .308? Most likely yes. Will you hit it first shot, cold bore? Most likely not.

To completely discount .308 Win in the hands of a capable, trained shooter using handloads and a high quality rifle is complete ignorance and I can gladly provide evidence of your folly.
I'm talking groups...good groups...good groups are not that easy for the average shooter...I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your last comment
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Old November 30th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #28
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Ummm... I consider myself a decent shooter and my groups at 300 would absolutely suck. That's a long freaking shot. All the power to those of you that can, I'm just saying the average decent shooter can't put a good group together at that range. I love the .308 though. Highly overlooked gun for a lot of situations IMO.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #29
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Ummm... I consider myself a decent shooter and my groups at 300 would absolutely suck. That's a long freaking shot. All the power to those of you that can, I'm just saying the average decent shooter can't put a good group together at that range. I love the .308 though. Highly overlooked gun for a lot of situations IMO.
I think the only thing any of us on this forum is going to agree with is that perspective is everything.

In the circles that I personally run in, .308 (or any caliber other than .22LR and .17HMR) at 300 yards is an easy task for a 3" or less group.

If that sounds completely unreasonable to you than you need to take a serious look at the hardware you're using and what you deem acceptable for accuracy.

I didn't think I was that deep into the "precision" rifle world until I saw the results of the supposedly knowledgeable on this thread. $1500 on a rifle and another $1,000 on optics is a budget build for reaching out past "minute of deer" accuracy. If you own your own reloading equipment and have a basic understanding of mechanics it would be much less.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #30
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I'm talking groups...good groups...good groups are not that easy for the average shooter...I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your last comment
Meaning your definition of the "average shooter" and once a year zero redneck is one in the same.

If you can't hold a good group at 300 with optics and a .308 you need to put down the rifle before someone gets hurt. That's completely unacceptable and those you come across that think it is need a straight up in your face lesson on marksmanship. In order to graduate basic training in the military you have to be able to hit a target at 300 with a 5.56 at 300. We receive minimal instruction in that aspect as well.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #31
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I think the only thing any of us on this forum is going to agree with is that perspective is everything.

In the circles that I personally run in, .308 (or any caliber other than .22LR and .17HMR) at 300 yards is an easy task for a 3" or less group.

If that sounds completely unreasonable to you than you need to take a serious look at the hardware you're using and what you deem acceptable for accuracy.

I didn't think I was that deep into the "precision" rifle world until I saw the results of the supposedly knowledgeable on this thread. $1500 on a rifle and another $1,000 on optics is a budget build for reaching out past "minute of deer" accuracy. If you own your own reloading equipment and have a basic understanding of mechanics it would be much less.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #32
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Meaning your definition of the "average shooter" and once a year zero redneck is one in the same.

If you can't hold a good group at 300 with optics and a .308 you need to put down the rifle before someone gets hurt. That's completely unacceptable and those you come across that think it is need a straight up in your face lesson on marksmanship. In order to graduate basic training in the military you have to be able to hit a target at 300 with a 5.56 at 300. We receive minimal instruction in that aspect as well.
well unless they changed BRM qualifycation, then no you don't have to hit a target at 300meters to graduate basic...yes a target shows at that distance but you don't have to shoot to hit enough targets to pass
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Old November 30th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #33
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well unless they changed BRM qualifycation, then no you don't have to hit a target at 300meters to graduate basic...yes a target shows at that distance but you don't have to shoot to hit enough targets to pass
Maybe that's good enough for a cook, healthcare professional or seamstress but that's straight up embarrassing for Combat Arms. That post right there is acknowledgement of a "D grade" for people shooting at that kind of ability (Not for a second implying that's where you personally shoot).
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Old November 30th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #34
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no, sorry they can't...most decent shooters would be able to hit the target at 300yds, however, most good shooters would not be able to put a good group together...there is alot more to shooting than pulling the trigger
I was at the public range the other day, the guy next to me on the 50 yard range, with his big buck .308 couldn't shoot 8" groups. To watch him shoot was comical. He had a flinch that looked like a nervous tick.

Might have been in part the rounds I was touching off next to him.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 09:44 PM   #35
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Old December 1st, 2012, 09:57 PM   #36
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Nice choice. I really like those guns. Don't own one but have seriously considered picking one up from a buddy. Seem like tack drivers.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:08 AM   #37
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Good choice I think that model has the set trigger .
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 02:06 AM   #38
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Ive shot out to 1540 with a 308 and punched .5" steel crows in hubbard lake. 700 sps accurized, different barrel, 8 oz trigger, machined mcmillan stock, leupold straight 16x scope (best distance scope for quality). Thats around 7k$ of gun.
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Ive shot out to 1540 with a 308 and punched .5" steel crows in hubbard lake. 700 sps accurized, different barrel, 8 oz trigger, machined mcmillan stock, leupold straight 16x scope (best distance scope for quality). Thats around 7k$ of gun.
Bull shit, steel crows would not float long enough to shoot them in hubbard lake.
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Ive shot out to 1540 with a 308 and punched .5" steel crows in hubbard lake. 700 sps accurized, different barrel, 8 oz trigger, machined mcmillan stock, leupold straight 16x scope (best distance scope for quality). Thats around 7k$ of gun.
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