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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #81
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I have been watching here for some of the trucks. I have $13,000 cash to spend
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #82
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I run rotella T-6 $24/gal at Walmart x 4 gallons-$96
Motorcraft FL1995 oil filter-$10
Fuel filter-$35
Oil change for my 7.3 after tax= $149

Diesel is around $.80 more/gallon
Initial price to get into a modern diesel is much more than the gasser
Injectors and pumps are expensive

Everything in the drivetrain, suspension, and steering in a 3/4-1ton truck is going to be more expensive than a 1/2 ton (gas or diesel).

Maybe I could save money switching to a big v8/10 but I like my diesel.
FWIW if I was able to get away with it I'd go back to a half ton. Cheaper to maintain and similar mileage to the diesel.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #83
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If i can get 20 city I would be verry happy. I am looking for Diesel to pull a 36' fith wheel. I know towing I will get whatever it wants
you will not get 20 mpg city out of any full size truck capable of pulling a 36' 5th wheel.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:00 AM   #84
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07 2500HD (Classic) LBZ. The best I've seen on a tank was 20.1 MPG, all freeway. The last 12 month average is at 16.6 MPG, $0.24 / Mile.

Maintenance is a little more expensive, but not by much. One thing people don't think about with a Diesel too much is the additional Re-Sale value of it. The depreciation per mile is much less then an equivalent gasser. I figure that when I sell the truck, the difference between my total $$$ / Mile between the diesel and a gasser will be damn near even.

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I won't go into detail, but you will never recoupe the upfront costs of a diesel in "re-sale" they depreciate just the same as a gas truck, the only difference is you paid 8k more up front to get the diesel.

I would have a hard time believing you could get 8k more out of my current diesel truck as you could the equivalent gasser......I mean, are 1k crew cabs with v-10's all over the place?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:35 AM   #85
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you will not get 20 mpg city out of any full size truck capable of pulling a 36' 5th wheel.
Some of the older Dodge diesels did get a legit 20-22mpg, but don't pull quite as well as the newer style.

My 2004.5 3500 SRW LB QC gets about 16-17 mixed city/hwy. The best I have ever gotten was just over 19 driving 100% freeway at about 65mph driving like a complete grandma just to see what I could get. But, put a 15,000 pound trailer behind it and I can still pull 11-12mpg if I am careful.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #86
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Some of the older Dodge diesels did get a legit 20-22mpg, but don't pull quite as well as the newer style.

My 2004.5 3500 SRW LB QC gets about 16-17 mixed city/hwy. The best I have ever gotten was just over 19 driving 100% freeway at about 65mph driving like a complete grandma just to see what I could get. But, put a 15,000 pound trailer behind it and I can still pull 11-12mpg if I am careful.
Yeah, some of the cummins may get 20 mpg and even high 20's on the freeway....but you would have to be perfectly tuned, perfectly maintained, perfect conditions, and drive like a complete grandma 100% of the time to consistently get that kind of mileage.

The point remains, its not a very realistic expectation. Nor is it a vehicle that commonly exists.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #87
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I have a 1987 Ford Cargo 7000 that weighs in about 18k pounds empty. It has a Brazillion 6.6 that is a bit on the anemic side but the stupid thing gets 10-12 MPG. I think that's pretty good for a truck that size!

Oil changes are on the pricy side. It takes 28 quarts to fill it and uses two very large oil filters.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #88
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I also can run my diesel 15,000-17,000 miles between oil changes with no issues.
How can you stand to let the oil get so full of soot? I cave in at 5,000 miles. Canít even imagine the coal tar look the oil would have after 15K.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 01:37 PM   #89
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Is the added cost of buying the diesel and maintenance of the diesel going to offset the fuel savings? I know they tow better but is there any real savings buying a diesel?
i did not add the exra service cost into my math but i figured it would take 37 years to make up the difference at current fuel prices based on what my new 2012 2500 hemi and the cummins i also test drove achieved on my little test loop from the dealer, home, to work, then back to the dealer about 40 miles. with the extra service a diesel would probably never pay for itself unless it was towing 10k it whole life.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 02:31 PM   #90
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i dont know what you all have been paying for diesel downstate, but up here its been 4.15 for over a month now. No wonder things like grocerys are so expensive. Regular gas as been fluctuating like normal, but diesel stays put. Bunch of bullshit. My 02 Dodge 2500 with 37" tires and 3.55 gears I average 16-20 usally(only rolls over 1200 r's at 60-65) but I still park it and drive my POS Jeep ZJ cause its cheaper to drive everyday even with it averaging 16.5 and alot more comfortable with leather seats since I dont do much towing anyways. The money(if any) that you save by driving a diesel truck everyday will be spent on maintance items that will cost more than a gasser, after owning my first diesel for over 6 months now, and 5-6 gasser trucks all the rest of the time ive been driving and I agree with kickstand. The bottom line is it costs more. My dodge loves to eat money and its everything BUT the engine thats giving me problems. Also I run Rotella and I wouldnt run anything else, cheap and good product, my step dad who drove truck also swore by it and he had a few trucks over a million miles and still rolling down the road today.

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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #91
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02 f350 7.3 chip and 4" exhuast and 37 AT. i drive 43 miles each way to work all free way. i can get 21 mph if i drive like grandma and never let it go over 2000rpm. i also cruise at 68ish mph.

normal driving 18mph freeway.

around town and mix driving 16mph

towed my brother xj to R&V and got 15mph

towed my 12000 lbs bdmt and got 11mph
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How can you stand to let the oil get so full of soot? I cave in at 5,000 miles. Can’t even imagine the coal tar look the oil would have after 15K.
I send in a sample every oil change to Blackstone Labs. The oil tests fine every time and they recommend I run slightly longer as there is plenty of life left in the oil. You are wasting a LOT of money running only 5,000 miles. I am at 185,000 miles and the engine test results show I have a very tight motor with very little wear metal showing up at all in the oil. I have put almost 30,000 miles on the truck this year.

I've also been running Rotella since the first oil change on the truck in 2004.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #93
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Diesel fuel is also taxed more than gasoline. If they leveled the excise taxes (either lowering the diesel tax or raising the gas tax) diesel vehicles would become more viable. And with larger scale production you'd probably see diesel vehicles become more price competitive against gas vehicles.
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Diesel fuel is also taxed more than gasoline. If they leveled the excise taxes (either lowering the diesel tax or raising the gas tax) diesel vehicles would become more viable. And with larger scale production you'd probably see diesel vehicles become more price competitive against gas vehicles.
Oh, you mean like most of the rest of the world where diesels have been the standard for decades?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:43 PM   #95
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Whats better 6.0 or the 7.3 powerstroke? I have read some bad things about the 6.0. I like the cummins Engine and the Ford body and the Allison trans if I could buy that I would be all over it...LOL
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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:12 PM   #96
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buy what you like. they al have issues and concerns. i dont have anything bad to say about my duramax. my cummins ate alot of wheel bearings and ball joints, snapped outut shaft. doesnt mean much since it was after market trans and motor.6.0 fords eat head gaskets, head studs, injectors, and their trannies are also weak. seen 2 of them go with 40-60k on them.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:43 PM   #97
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'07 SuperDuty, regular back and forth to work is 18 and on the highway 22.
I'm going to check it again now that everything under the hood except the engine is new after the collision with the buck.
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Whats better 6.0 or the 7.3 powerstroke? I have read some bad things about the 6.0. I like the cummins Engine and the Ford body and the Allison trans if I could buy that I would be all over it...LOL
Whatever has been maintained better would be the better truck. Bones made a thread before about the 6.0 before, very informative. I have a good friend with a duramax and has said the Allison is a pos if you make any power (I have no experience. For the 350-400hp range (I have no need or want for more) my 7.3 and ZF-6 is hard to beat.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 05:16 PM   #99
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I Like the Cummins I had the Older 92 12 v it had 328 on it got great MPG. I am not sure what I like best. I want the best long lasting truck. I cant buy based on looks I have to try and go whats best for me. I dont mind a stick but the wife wont drive it at all ....o wait thats not a bad thing.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:03 PM   #100
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'07 SuperDuty, regular back and forth to work is 18 and on the highway 22.
I'm going to check it again now that everything under the hood except the engine is new after the collision with the buck.
I thought you said that truck was scrap after hitting the buck?
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