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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:12 AM   #41
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Timken front sealed wheel bearing for a 1999 GMC 1/2 ton 4wd $109.
Timken front sealed wheel bearing for a 2009 Ford F350 4wd $550.
Timken front sealed wheel bearing for a 2009 GMC 1/2 ton 4wd $120.

I cant afford the repair cost of a big truck so I can tow my 4000# Heep 5 times a year.

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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #42
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A diesel is cost effective for me because 1) I don't have a payment on it and 2) I don't use it as a daily driver. I find it to be more cost effective to drive my little shit box car most of the time and use the big truck on occasion than to just own a fuel pig truck.
This. I am just DDing my dually right now until I can pick up another car to DD... want to hold out and save up for something newer.

Also, I'm figuring my truck weighs in around 7-8k lbs... then add trailer, spare parts, and tools... I really didn't want to go through the hassle of destroying 1/2 ton components.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:38 AM   #43
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I don't get what is so expensive to maintain about a diesel? Yes the oil change is a little more, and yeah you have to change the fuel filter more....but they are cheap and easy.....aside from that there is nothing else....my dodge has been really simple over the last two years....parts are fairly cheap and its easy to work on.....i get better mileage towing my trail rig and trailer (7k lbs) than a comparable gas truck would get empty and it does it without blinking.

What am i missing here.....what are all these higher maintenance costs?
oil change is not just a little bit more, it's 2x plus some,
the math is pretty easy, 12 qt of oil compared to 5 or 6 qt of oil)
then there is both a fuel filter AND oil filter to change, so again 2x
plus the fuel cost more most of the time,

and if you need to do any other repairs, 9 out of 10 the cost will be much more then a similar repair on a gas vehicle
the high pressure fuel pump is one good example, they are a common problem on a Dodge, and the repair is $1000-$1500
mine went out at 80k on my 99
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #44
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oil change is not just a little bit more, it's 2x plus some,
the math is pretty easy, 12 qt of oil compared to 5 or 6 qt of oil)
then there is both a fuel filter AND oil filter to change, so again 2x
plus the fuel cost more most of the time,

and if you need to do any other repairs, 9 out of 10 the cost will be much more then a similar repair on a gas vehicle
the high pressure fuel pump is one good example, they are a common problem on a Dodge, and the repair is $1000-$1500
mine went out at 80k on my 99
I also can run my diesel 15,000-17,000 miles between oil changes with no issues.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #45
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Just to add to the mix:

08 F250 6.4L ~919XX miles completely stock
Highway @65 unloaded ~19-22mpg
Highway with 3,000lbs @65 ~17-18mpg
city 11-12mpg

6.4 Power strokes have notorious radiator issues, just replaced mine this weekend. $850+ price tag each
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #46
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oil change is not just a little bit more, it's 2x plus some,
the math is pretty easy, 12 qt of oil compared to 5 or 6 qt of oil)
then there is both a fuel filter AND oil filter to change, so again 2x
plus the fuel cost more most of the time,

and if you need to do any other repairs, 9 out of 10 the cost will be much more then a similar repair on a gas vehicle
the high pressure fuel pump is one good example, they are a common problem on a Dodge, and the repair is $1000-$1500
mine went out at 80k on my 99
Most all new 3/4 gas trucks are 6-8qts and many require at minimum a semi synthetic oil which pretty much evens out the cost. My fuel filter is like 12$ and i change it every 15k or once a year.....not a big expense.

Your injection pump died because the lift pump was bad and starved it...keep the fuel pressure up and that does not happen.

Since i have had the truck i have done: radiator, thermostat, boost pressure sensor, and balljoints/wb/ujoint on the drivers side.....none of it was particularly expensive or complicated.....the front end parts are the same gas to diesel so thats a wash....radiator was basically same price iirc....thermostat was like 12$ and took 5min to change.....none of it has been super expensive outrageous like people claim. The only difference is fuel cost and the extra efficiency makes it nearly a wash too.

I may be all wrong.....but i can't see where its costing me more to own/maintain a diesel

Edit: i just looked and the diesel radiator is cheaper than the gas

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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #47
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I also can run my diesel 15,000-17,000 miles between oil changes with no issues.
I get that plus some with amsoil in both my diesel and gasser. I send in a sample every 5k and theyet me know where my oil life is. In my gasser I have went as much as 28k miles between oil changes.
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Most all new 3/4 gas trucks are 6-8qts and many require at minimum a semi synthetic oil which pretty much evens out the cost. My fuel filter is like 12$ and i change it every 15k or once a year.....not a big expense.

Your injection pump died because the lift pump was bad and starved it...keep the fuel pressure up and that does not happen.

Since i have had the truck i have done: radiator, thermostat, boost pressure sensor, and balljoints/wb/ujoint on the drivers side.....none of it was particularly expensive or complicated.....the front end parts are the same gas to diesel so thats a wash....radiator was basically same price iirc....thermostat was like 12$ and took 5min to change.....none of it has been super expensive outrageous like people claim. The only difference is fuel cost and the extra efficiency makes it nearly a wash too.

I may be all wrong.....but i can't see where its costing me more to own/maintain a diesel
6-8 quarts? My truck holds 16. That's still twice the cost, add in a $40 fuel filter (or $23 if I buy just the filter element which no one locally carries and I have to order)

Ball joints are twice as expensive for a 3/4 or 1 ton truck as they are for a half ton gasser.

Unless you are consistently towing outside of the limits of a half ton (you aren't with one jeep on a hauler) or towing in the mountains, a diesel isn't ever going to justify itself no matter what you tell yourself.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #49
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6-8 quarts? My truck holds 16. That's still twice the cost, add in a $40 fuel filter (or $23 if I buy just the filter element which no one locally carries and I have to order)

Ball joints are twice as expensive for a 3/4 or 1 ton truck as they are for a half ton gasser.

Unless you are consistently towing outside of the limits of a half ton (you aren't with one jeep on a hauler) or towing in the mountains, a diesel isn't ever going to justify itself no matter what you tell yourself.

Yeah, but all the cool kids have one, and face it, I'm too ugly to be cool on my own merits...........I love my diesel.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:38 AM   #50
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6-8 quarts? My truck holds 16. That's still twice the cost, add in a $40 fuel filter (or $23 if I buy just the filter element which no one locally carries and I have to order)

Ball joints are twice as expensive for a 3/4 or 1 ton truck as they are for a half ton gasser.

Unless you are consistently towing outside of the limits of a half ton (you aren't with one jeep on a hauler) or towing in the mountains, a diesel isn't ever going to justify itself no matter what you tell yourself.
Mine holds 12qts....fuel filter is like 12$.

In the since april i have towed my rig through the mountains 3 times
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I also can run my diesel 15,000-17,000 miles between oil changes with no issues.
not sure about today, but my 1999 was recommended ever 7500, and it was dirty at that

my 2001 gas goes about 6-7k and is cleaner then my diesel oil ever was at time of change.
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Yeah, but all the cool kids have one, and face it, I'm too ugly to be cool on my own merits...........I love my diesel.
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Mine holds 12qts....fuel filter is like 12$.

In the since april i have towed my rig through the mountains 3 times
Maybe reading is hard?

I am not starting a pissing contest about whether you should own your diesel truck or not.
Quite frankly I don't care what you drive.


curbdog asked if you can justify the price of a diesel, and you can, but you have to use it not just DD it.

They are more expensive to maintain, you can not argue that. They are typically twice the cost to do an oil change, you can not argue that. The ball joints, u joints, tie rods, and everything else are typically twice the cost of a gas half ton.

The engine goes bad? Twice the cost.

FYI your fuel filter at the three local auto parts stores I have to choose from was $19
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I will say, I loved my diesel, just could not justify the cost for an other.

the fact is as kickstand says for our normal use, it will not be cheaper,

that's not to say no one will have a case where it pays to have a diesel, just for the average guy even on this site, it doesn't pay.

any new 1/2 ton truck by GM, Ford, or Dodge will tow a single jeep on a trailer very well, in many cases even getting decent gas mileage, I've seen a couple getting over 15mpg towing on the highway with 1/2 ton trucks
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Also i just looked....moog balljoint for 01 dodge 1500....34$.....2500....43$......again hardly any difference.
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Also i just looked....moog balljoint for 01 dodge 1500....34$.....2500....43$......again hardly any difference.
again, I don't give a fukc how you try and justify it. The fact is, it is MORE expensive to own a diesel no matter how you slice it. Plain and simple.

Now replace 4 ball joints, your tie rods, do an oil change, and a fuel filter, and then go fill up at almost a dollar more per gallon and tell me that you didn't just pay about an extra $300. All for things both trucks will always need.

It may be "hardly" a difference, but the point still continues to remain that a diesel is never cheaper unless you are pulling at capacity every day. And even then, the diesel isn't cheaper, it just performs better.
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I don't get what is so expensive to maintain about a diesel? Yes the oil change is a little more, and yeah you have to change the fuel filter more....but they are cheap and easy.....aside from that there is nothing else....my dodge has been really simple over the last two years....parts are fairly cheap and its easy to work on.....i get better mileage towing my trail rig and trailer (7k lbs) than a comparable gas truck would get empty and it does it without blinking.

What am i missing here.....what are all these higher maintenance costs?
LOL

It costs me $220 each oil change....

4 gallons of synthetic oil
big ass oil filter
two fuel filters.
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It costs me $220 each oil change....

4 gallons of synthetic oil
big ass oil filter
two fuel filters.
but that's only $180 more then I'm paying the dealer to change the oil on my 2001 GMC with an 8.1

that's HARDLY a difference LOL
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #59
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