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Old January 15th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #1
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Lets say someone on occasion uses their personal (non-commercial) truck and trailer to deliver equipment or pick up parts etc as a favor for their small business employers. With the talk of stricter enforcement of commercial trucking rules on hotshotters it makes one wonder what rules apply in such situations. Any good sites with clear information? No luck figuring out the dot or FMCSA sites. Both truck and trailer under 10,000 lbs GVWR each.
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 08:00 AM   #2
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I believe it is based on the combined gvw.
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Anything over 10,000 lbs cgvwr, and used commercially falls under fmcsa. First page of the book.
that's combination gross vehical ratitng. Not gross weight, but what your truck, when combined with your trailer are rated for.
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Yep thatís what a representative at Michiganís trucking safety organization http://www.truckingsafety.org/ confirmed. When being used for business purposes if the GVWR or GCWR exceed 10,001 lbs then the overbearing federal commercial regulations apply. Michigan requires the name on the door for vehicles or combinations used for business purposes if they are over 5K (which can be a removable magnetic sign). If the vehicle or combination is under 5K then it is not regulated at all. Just about every pickup or van towing a trailer for commercial purposes will be over 10K GCWR and is required to have a DOT number, etc. Too much regulation.
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Yep thatís what a representative at Michiganís trucking safety organization http://www.truckingsafety.org/ confirmed. When being used for business purposes if the GVWR or GCWR exceed 10,001 lbs then the overbearing federal commercial regulations apply. Michigan requires the name on the door for vehicles or combinations used for business purposes if they are over 5K (which can be a removable magnetic sign). If the vehicle or combination is under 5K then it is not regulated at all. Just about every pickup or van towing a trailer for commercial purposes will be over 10K GCWR and is required to have a DOT number, etc. Too much regulation.
So if I'm using my 3/4 ton truck no trailer 8800lbs GVWR I need the company name on the side of the truck no DOT? However if I put even a small trailer say 2000lb GVWR combined I would be at 10,800 GCWR I would need a DOT sticker (allong with medical card, vehicle inspection, fire extinguisher, etc)?

While on the topic of hypothetical "running to get something for my work" would you also need commercial insurance?
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So if I'm using my 3/4 ton truck no trailer 8800lbs GVWR I need the company name on the side of the truck no DOT? However if I put even a small trailer say 2000lb GVWR combined I would be at 10,800 GCWR I would need a DOT sticker (allong with medical card, vehicle inspection, fire extinguisher, etc)?

While on the topic of hypothetical "running to get something for my work" would you also need commercial insurance?

If used for commercial usage.
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is required to have a DOT number, etc. Too much regulation.
Not in all aspects. I think the FMCSA has done a good job of making the roads safer by getting rid of the yahoos. That is why they are requiring a DOT number. They will keep track of the unsafe people and get them off the road.
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If you're makin $$$$a you need DOT #s and a name.....
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http://www.truckingsafety.org/new/new2012.htm

Mainly PA 231 of 2012
Public Act 231 of 2012

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(5v2...e=2011-HB-5228

Public Act 231 was approved by the governer 6/29/12, assigned Public Act number 231 of 2012 and ordered to take immediate effect.

)The Act provides that the State adopts a number of Federal motor carrier safety regulations. Under the Act, these regulations would not apply to a vehicle that is not a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) as defined in 49 CFR 383.5 and/or that is operated in intrastate commerce. Such a vehicle, however, would remain subject to 49 CFR Parts 391 through 393 link to applicable section of the act: PA 231 Sec. 1a (3).

Under 49 CFR 383.5, the definition of "CMV" refers to;
1. a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles that weighs at least 26,001 pounds;
2. is designed to transport at least 16 people;
3. or is used in the transportation of hazardous materials that require placarding.

FMCSR Parts 391-393 continue to apply and contain rules that pertain to qualifications of drivers (medical cards/driver files) and longer combination vehicle driver instructors, driving of CMVs (driver pre-trip inspection, RRX rules, fatigued or ill drivers etc), and parts and accessories necessary for safe operation (including safety equipment, lighting rules, brake requirements, cargo securement etc).

In addition, Sections 5(8) and 6(1) of the Act would not apply to a non-CMV that is operated in intrastate commerce. (Under Section 5(8), a motor carrier operating entirely in intrastate commerce solely within Michigan may not permit or require a CMV operator engaged in seasonal construction-related activities to operate for more than a specified number of hours in a particular period of time. Section 6(1) requires motor carriers to submit their transportation safety-related documents and equipment for inspection or copying to an enforcement member of the State Police Motor Carrier Division.
SHORT EXPLANATION:

NON-CDL requiring commercial motor vehicles operated entirely within Michigan [in intrastate commerce] will no longer need to display USDOT numbers, carry proof of DOT inspection and drivers will no longer need to use log books.

If you have a USDOT number displayed on your vehicle and you no longer require it due to PA 231, you may wish to consider removing it from your vehicles. The USDOT monitors carrier and driver compliance with the DOT rules by tracking violations attached to DOT numbers under the CSA compliance and enforcement program.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #14
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14muddin thanks for posting that. At least it is ok to run errands inside Michigan.
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x2 for Muddin. I do a lot of vehicle inspections for the local land scape guy and plow jockeys. But after the gov sign the new law, All is good if your under 26K. If your hauling for pay, You should have a med card. But with what you doing. Just roll with it and if you get stopped tell em you are hauling your own property.
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