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12V Cummins ve-pump 14 77.78%
Chrysler 512 Stroker 4 22.22%
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #1
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1946 Dodge Powerwagon. ex-puller

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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #2
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Getting the front end up where it should be. 8'' skyjacker soft ride springs. Truck has a full aftermarket big block chrysler in it right now with a 727 and divorced 205 case. Has a dana 70 front and eaton rear.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #3
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Truck is going to have a aluminum headed 512 stroker in it. I have a powerglide with a mated np 205 bolted to it, 2800 stall. Axles are going to be 60/70 combo with 3.08 gears. Rear is welded, and front is open for now, with crossover steering.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #4
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The next step im going to do is throw out the solid rear suspension. Im thinking a triangulated 3 link would suit it best with coil springs. I have some stock 1/2 ton dodge front ones but im thinking that they will be just a little to stiff. The truck is super light weight, which is why I want to stay with the 3.08s. And the powerglide dont soak up as much power as a 727 does. The box is homemade by my father, two people can carry it around just fine. Im going to wheel it in more open areas to keep the body mint. Also going to put different headers on it of course. Its going to be street legal, and hoping for decent fuel mpg.

What does everybody think? Not everyday you see a powerwagon on the road
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Old November 11th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #5
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:49 PM   #6
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Why the axle swap, for disk brakes?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:59 AM   #7
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Nope. I want the 60/70 combo because of the gear ratios. And also that the 60 I have is upgraded alot. Im looking for 18+ mpg out of this combo and still be able to drive it anywhere I want to. Its all the the best drivetrain parts I can come up with and still have a low amount of wind scrub, tire to road scrub, and lowest amount of torque loss through the drivetrain itself. All while having 1410 u joints on everything. The 205 case is already twin sticked, aka "cutting the shift rails''. Truck will also be re-painted, that is when extra money falls outta the trees
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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #8
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Nice truck! That's cool that are going to be able drive it on the street
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Old November 12th, 2012, 05:17 AM   #9
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Nice truck
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Old November 12th, 2012, 05:30 AM   #10
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I think the 18 mpg may be a bit optimistic
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:16 AM   #11
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What are you doing with the wipers?
I only ask because I have not found anyone that makes a electric conversion that fits.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 03:00 PM   #12
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Im not sure about the wipers. Im going to look into it and see if you have to have wipers on it and not get a ticket? If the law says im going to need wipers, then im pry going to fab something up. Maybe something like manual wipers for it? It dont have any of the factory switches, or blinkers in it. Im thinking just running lights and brake lights will do lol.

The 512 motor has 9.8:1 compression static. It has flat top, zero deck pistons that are dished and are the same shape as the combustion chambers in the head. Should run between 1900-2100 rpms down the road. Im sure 18+ mpg will be possible. 750 holley, vaccum secondaries with a tight spring. I havent even decided on tires yet?. Its going to see pry 75% road, and the rest off road

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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #13
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What are u doin with the 70 front?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:57 AM   #14
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Im going to sell both of the axles. Drum brakes in the front and 4.10s with detroit. I have another that is the same but with 4.56s. Rear is 4.56 with a detroit also.

On another note, i looked up some of its history. In 1946 it only took $1,627.00 ot buy it new. I also looked up the serial number and it show that it was built in San Leandro, California. There were only 3 places that were producing them. The other two being in Los Angeles and Detroit.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:16 AM   #15
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cerial, I did some reasearch to the wipers problem.....

Use two 6 volt batteries in series and make sure that they are comparable in capacity. Then just hook the wiper circuit to the first battery so its only 6 volts. The only problem is just having two batteries. It will charge just fine and everything cause the alternator will think its a 12 volt battery. I know its cheaper than having the motors re-wound for 12 volt.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:01 AM   #16
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3.08 gears in a 60? I don't think that part of your plan will work out so well.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:16 AM   #17
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thought this was for sale
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Old November 14th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #18
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Why wont 3.08s work so well? They work awsome.

duster, no its not for sale. Not even for the right price
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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #19
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I've never seen a ring an pinion set for a Dana 60 (or 70 for that matter) higher (numerically lower) than 3.54....pretty sure that's why the Dana 61 was invented...the standard Dana 60 case does not have enough room for a pinion any larger than 3.54:1

1800-2100 rpm cruising rpm with a 2800 rpm stall converter might make your powerglide hate life....as will trying to turn tall heavy tires with tall axle gears....plus your motor will have to have some sort of magically broad power band to be running efficent enough for good mileage with only two gears to choose from....maybe a modern overdrive trans would be a better way to get close to your economical fuel mileage goals for your 500+ cubic inch 66 year old truck with the aerodynamics of a small house.

Don't get me wrong, it's a cool truck and it's your project, I just think you might be trying too hard to make it something it's not, which may take the enjoyment right out of it.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #20
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Yeah its a 61 front. Same as the 60 front but the center housing is different to offset the pinion because its so huge. Both of the axles came out of a 90 doge truck with a cummins and 727 trans in it. Both of them have factory gears in them.

On the cruising rpm with that converter, I had all of this drivetrain in a 1977 dodge truck already. Had 36'x12.50s on it. Trans temp never came up or anything and that truck was way heavier, higher in the air, and had a smaller cube motor. The tires going on it will only be 36's or under and only 12.50 wide.

The truck is super light. The powerglide is light, and the motor with aluminum heads is kinda light. The truck right now with the boggers on it weighs 4100 lbs, thats from TTPA's truck and tractor pulling scale. Im going to remove the rear pulling hitch, the power steering pump thats on the front, all of the driveshaft hoops, the 3 batteries that are un-needed anymore, the ballast thats sitting in the front frame, and the heavy tires and rims. Prolly more than that but thats what i can think of.

The motor makes power from 2000 to 6000 rpm. The converter will work great, just like it did with the 440 motor I had in the 77 truck. The 77 truck got around 12mpg with that setup, if I stayed out of the throttle.

Im confident with my associate degrees in auto, high performance, and diesel. Trust me, it will work
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