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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:40 AM   #1
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1) Time for the electoral college to go away. It disenfranchises voters, like in MI, IL, CA, NY who don't even bother to vote - I don't know any in NE or UT, buts I'm sure the same dynamic applies.

2) We need more controls on how the press reports election projections - I've seen real-life situations of people deciding not to vote because "the news said only OH and FL matter". Granted, there's a big dose of laziness there and eliminating the electoral college would help, but the press reporting does influence turnout - remember FL a few years back when the press started calling races in FL when the polls in the panhandle were still open (central time) and people stopped going? Not easy to figure out, but it needs to happen.

3) The amount of money spent on electioneering is obscene. We need to reform this severely. I like the idea of a maximum spending limit to keep the spend down and allow alternate parties a better shot. I suspect tv/radio/online advertising influences nobody, so eliminate it. No more third parties taking out ads either. And telemarketing rules need to apply as well - the robocalls to aggravate the population.

4) Ballot initiative/issue advertising needs to consist only of what the text of the issue is, in plain English. There has been a lot of good reform in this space with requirements to have 150 word, plain language descriptions of the issue with no more "yes means no" phrasing - they just need to finish the job with the advertising. Sending limits need to apply and sources of funding need to be clearly identified up-front and in the ads.

5) News coverage needs to be clearly identified as being either "news" or "opinion". Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz can blather away all they like (its a freedom we enjoy), but because they closely mimic a news format a disturbing portion of the electorate can't/doesn't differentiate. The same applies to conservative commenters as well, although it seems they're more widely recognized as opinion.
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We would have to change amendments to make the electoral college to go away wouldn't we?

Likely so, so how?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:53 AM   #3
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I disagree about the electoral college. Everything else is spot on.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:54 AM   #4
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I'm definitely down with spending limits. Why do you need to spend $50 million by the winner to win a job that pays $174,000 a year like what happened to fill Dead Kennedy's seat in MA? I have no idea how much was spent to win the Presidency, but I wouldn't be suprised if a billion was dropped between both sides.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #5
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It's called trickle down elections
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #6
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Or reforming the electoral college to where it isn't an all or nothing situation. Two states already do this.
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Or reforming the electoral college to where it isn't an all or nothing situation. Two states already do this.
This.

Split states by district.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #8
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I disagree about the electoral college. Everything else is spot on.
Not trying to argue either way, but I'm curious as to why you think that.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #9
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Or reforming the electoral college to where it isn't an all or nothing situation. Two states already do this.
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Presidential elections are no longer decided by the country but by a few states due to the current all or nothing way the majority of the country uses for the electoral college.

If it went by district it would be a hell of a lot more representative of the true will of the people.
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#1 Yes. It's an outdated system. While we are making changes there can I please get a voting app for my phone? :)

#2 While I agree too wouldn't that step on the free speech thing? In reality we just need less stupid people that can think without the news media telling them how.

#3 While I like the spending limits idea in spirit, wouldn't that make for a more government control and regulation situation that we all typically disapprove of?

#4 I agree wholeheartedly. But really we just need less stupid people voting.

#5 Kinda the same ball park as #2 right?
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I'm definitely down with spending limits. Why do you need to spend $50 million by the winner to win a job that pays $174,000 a year like what happened to fill Dead Kennedy's seat in MA? I have no idea how much was spent to win the Presidency, but I wouldn't be suprised if a billion was dropped between both sides.
I saw the other day it was around a billion PER SIDE.
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Or reforming the electoral college to where it isn't an all or nothing situation. Two states already do this.
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This.

Split states by district.
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Presidential elections are no longer decided by the country but by a few states due to the current all or nothing way the majority of the country uses for the electoral college.

If it went by district it would be a hell of a lot more representative of the true will of the people.
Would this really be much different than going by popular vote? How are districts laid out? Geographically or population based? Would more heavily populated districts have more "votes", and lighter districts less?

I think there are some big changes that this country needs to make going forward even if it means putting the end to some day one traditions. The world has changed A SHIT TON over the past 236 years and I don't think some of our procedures necessarily reflect that as they should.
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Reform of the EC may be easier to do than removing it. Especially since two states already do this, it must be legal.
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Reform of the EC may be easier to do than removing it. Especially since two states already do this, it must be legal.
That's true.

I wonder how often you would end up with the house and the white house being controlled by the same party since they would be similar in how they are elected.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/150438

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congres...istrict_Method
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So I can file my tax return, renew my drivers license, and apply for a passport, but I can't vote online?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #16
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1) Time for the electoral college to go away. It disenfranchises voters, like in MI, IL, CA, NY who don't even bother to vote - I don't know any in NE or UT, buts I'm sure the same dynamic applies.
disagree.

We are supposed to be a [r]epublic not a democracy. In order to strengthen that ideal I propose this solution....

Each township has a democratic election for president. The majority vote of that township is a winner take all. So if candidate A takes 51% of the vote then Candidate A wins the township. Each township in the county gets 1 vote going toward their chosen candidate. The county is winner take all also. Then the process is repeated at the state level with each county getting a single vote for their majority candidate. The state then sends their electoral votes to the EC based on the majority vote at the state level.

That is a democratic republic. Each person has an equal vote at the township level. Each township has an equal vote at the county level. Each county has an equal vote at the state level.

To truly make it right you would need to make each state have a single vote at the federal level.

Too bad it will never happen.
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I disagree on all points, which is rare for a Duffman political posting.

The electoral college serves a purpose and is needed, and its a state issue on how they cast their votes. I'm not big on the idea of big government controlling what people can say or spend their money on.

I wonder how it'd go over if a state made proof of tax payment as a requirement to vote.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #18
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I disagree on all points, which is rare for a Duffman political posting.

The electoral college serves a purpose and is needed, and its a state issue on how they cast their votes. I'm not big on the idea of big government controlling what people can say or spend their money on.

I wonder how it'd go over if a state made proof of tax payment as a requirement to vote.
the electoral college was designed when this country first started because people were uneducated, the was no national communication to get their plans across, and it was a bitch to get all ballots counted/cast.
this is no longer an issue so the electoral college should have been removed thirty years ago.
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Electoral college was originally created to speed up the process of electing a president, and the members are not required to follow the popular vote. This was because the founding fathers wanted to prevent a largely uneducated public from electing an uneducated president.

edit- damn, bono beat me to it.
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