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Old November 1st, 2006, 05:49 PM   #41
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That's just a fancy way to say pro-choice.
so are you pro-choice if you are for capital punishment?? Hmmm.......
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Old November 1st, 2006, 06:22 PM   #42
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so are you pro-choice if you are for capital punishment?? Hmmm.......
Umm, no.
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Old November 1st, 2006, 06:30 PM   #43
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so are you pro-choice if you are for capital punishment?? Hmmm.......

I am. :)
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 08:37 AM   #44
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Umm, no.
You have conflicting ideaologies. You should work on that.
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You have conflicting ideaologies. You should work on that.
I don't think I do, I think that an innocent baby should be allowed to live, where a person that chops a little girl into tiny chunks after he has raped her should be put to death.

You are the one that needs to work on things...how can it be ok to kill a baby but not a murderer? Is that not conflicted also then if one uses your logic?
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 09:14 AM   #46
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I don't think I do, I think that an innocent baby should be allowed to live, where a person that chops a little girl into tiny chunks after he has raped her should be put to death.

You are the one that needs to work on things...how can it be ok to kill a baby but not a murderer? Is that not conflicted also then if one uses your logic?

I have stated earlier that i believed the death penalty is a viable option for violent crimes when there is no possible doubt that the person is guilty.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 10:17 AM   #47
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That's just a fancy way to say pro-choice.
Agreed, it's a pro choice stand but look at the logic....

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A has no right to tell B how to live as long as A's life isn't affected by B.

B having an abortion has no effect on A, there for it's none of A's business.

It's hard for me to disagree with this logic. It can be applied it to anything and still makes sense.

I like the part about the government not paying for peoples babies after they're born too. Again, it goes back to personal responsibility for your actions.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 11:06 AM   #48
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Agreed, it's a pro choice stand but look at the logic....

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A has no right to tell B how to live as long as A's life isn't affected by B.

B having an abortion has no effect on A, there for it's none of A's business.

It's hard for me to disagree with this logic. It can be applied it to anything and still makes sense.

I like the part about the government not paying for peoples babies after they're born too. Again, it goes back to personal responsibility for your actions.
With that logic, then it should be ok for someone to say, come over and kill your family with a chainsaw and they will not go to jail, because it has no effect on some guy in Traverse City.
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Old November 2nd, 2006, 04:20 PM   #49
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With that logic, then it should be ok for someone to say, come over and kill your family with a chainsaw and they will not go to jail, because it has no effect on some guy in Traverse City.
you're calling me retarded?
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you're calling me retarded?
If I wanted to say you were retarded, I would just say it. We actually see more things the same way than you want to admit I think. My comment was directed at 3-foot...and I even quoted him when I replied.
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If I wanted to say you were retarded, I would just say it. We actually see more things the same way than you want to admit I think. My comment was directed at 3-foot...and I even quoted him when I replied.
No, i understand you weren't calling me that right then, but you did earlier in the thread, and the logic you just used with person A and B would lead me to believe that it was you that was actually cognatively impaired.
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Agreed, it's a pro choice stand but look at the logic....

Simply,
A has no right to tell B how to live as long as A's life isn't affected by B.

B having an abortion has no effect on A, there for it's none of A's business.

It's hard for me to disagree with this logic. It can be applied it to anything and still makes sense.

I like the part about the government not paying for peoples babies after they're born too. Again, it goes back to personal responsibility for your actions.
So then if a woman decided a week after giving birth and taking the kid home that she really didn't want to be a mother so she killed the baby and tossed it in the trash you think that would be OK? It would have no affect on you.
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So then if a woman decided a week after giving birth and taking the kid home that she really didn't want to be a mother so she killed the baby and tossed it in the trash you think that would be OK? It would have no affect on you.
to me then, that baby is person B. In an abortion in the first trimester, i see aborting a "fetus".
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:25 AM   #54
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With that logic, then it should be ok for someone to say, come over and kill your family with a chainsaw and they will not go to jail, because it has no effect on some guy in Traverse City.
No affect on the guy in TC but it affected the people(A) who were chainsawed by someone(B). they are dead. So yes he goes to prison and gets the chair.

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So then if a woman decided a week after giving birth and taking the kid home that she really didn't want to be a mother so she killed the baby and tossed it in the trash you think that would be OK? It would have no affect on you.

No again. The mother(A) affected the (born) baby(b) by killing it. To the chair with her too.

So now you'll ask what's the difference if she does it before or after the baby is born, right? That's where the issue gets complicated, doesn't it? That's the real issue, where do you draw that line? Clearly after birth is too late, I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Different people draw different lines and who's to say who's right or wrong? That get's me back to personal responsibility, decide for yourself, you have to live with the decision not me.
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No affect on the guy in TC but it affected the people(A) who were chainsawed by someone(B). they are dead. So yes he goes to prison and gets the chair.




No again. The mother(A) affected the (born) baby(b) by killing it. To the chair with her too.

So now you'll ask what's the difference if she does it before or after the baby is born, right? That's where the issue gets complicated, doesn't it? That's the real issue, where do you draw that line? Clearly after birth is too late, I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Different people draw different lines and who's to say who's right or wrong? That get's me back to personal responsibility, decide for yourself, you have to live with the decision not me.
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Now that we've covered(read dead horse) the socially liberal part how about the fiscally conservative side. Yep time to beat up on the liberal's a bit.

How about this...

quote...

We believe that each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. Therefore we oppose all intervention by government into the area of economics. The only proper role of existing governments in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected.
Efforts to forcibly redistribute wealth or forcibly manage trade are intolerable. Government manipulation of the economy creates an entrenched privileged class -- those with access to tax money -- and an exploited class -- those who are net taxpayers.
We believe that all individuals have the right to dispose of the fruits of their labor as they see fit and that government has no right to take such wealth. We oppose government-enforced charity such as welfare programs and subsidies, but we heartily applaud those individuals and private charitable organizations that help the needy and contribute to a wide array of worthwhile causes through voluntary activities.

.....end quote.

Bye bye welfare.

There is a bill in congress(H.R. 25) that supports the L.P. tax position...

http://www.fairtax.org/

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The FairTax Plan is a nonpartisan national grassroots campaign to replace the federal income tax system with a progressive national retail sales tax. It provides a "prebate" to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue replacement and, through companion legislation, repeal of the 16th Amendment.

....end quote.

Bye bye IRS. No one will miss you!
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