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Old November 7th, 2012, 04:45 PM   #21
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Is it not good enough that you have the freedom to believe whatever you want? Why do you need to shove it down people's throats? It only alienates people like me who are non religious. Having said that it did not alienate me enough to vote democrat but I did find all of the conversations stupid and only harmful to the party.


Some people do need religion shoved down there throats.

http://newsone.com/2018359/two-peopl...over-kool-aid/

Like the two moral less ninjas in Detroit who shot at eachother over kool aid.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #22
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We should not expect the government to dictate morality to the people. The best we can do is elect officials who don't spend the people's money to fund immorale acts.
like clinton using an intern as a receptacle in the oval office...
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Old November 7th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #23
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So, by me having an opinion and mentioning God, it's shoving it down people's throat.
But you having an opinion is only stating your opinion and not shoving it down people's throat?
I could say the same for your opinion but you are entitled to it, just like I am enitled to mine.
What I don't understand is people have opinions and when they bring them up people can discuss or debate, but when anybody mentions God it all of a sudden offends people and its shoving the said opinion down peoples throats.
So is it the dislike of the mention of the word God or the messenger?



You my friend need to go back and look up the history of this nation and what it's founding fathers intended it to be.
So does the name calling make you feel better?
Actually, I think you do. There's a reason our Founding Fathers intentionally separated church and state.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155985...ristian_nation

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

http://swampbubbles.com/bubble/quote...od-and-america

If you think that America was founded on moral human decency which runs parallel to Christian thinking, then in that respect you are correct. I think everyone, religious or not, athiest or not, can agree upon that killing someone or trampling on other people's rights or beliefs are not good things.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #24
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Some people do need religion shoved down there throats.

http://newsone.com/2018359/two-peopl...over-kool-aid/

Like the two moral less ninjas in Detroit who shot at eachother over kool aid.
What would religion do? They would still be human slime that just happen to go to church every Sunday.

How about parenting? Or people just being brought up with decent human values? You don't need religion to teach people right and wrong.
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If you think that America was founded on moral human decency which runs parallel to Christian thinking, then in that respect you are correct. I think everyone, religious or not, athiest or not, can agree upon that killing someone or trampling on other people's rights or beliefs are not good things.
Tell that to a liberal. Racist hate monger.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #26
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The more this country turns away from God and biblical principals, which this country was founded on , the worse things willl get. Just saying.
And the more the decide to make those things influence government policies the less relevant they will be.



NEWS FLASH>>>YOU LIVE IN A COUNTRY OF MODERATES<<<<<<


This "country" was civilized by white people searching for a place to freely practice their religion.

The "Founders of our Government" wrote laws that have certain christain influence yes.....but also make clear that no specific religion is to rule law.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #27
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Our founding fathers would disagree.....

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...merica’s Founding Fathers
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Old November 7th, 2012, 06:51 PM   #28
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Our founding fathers would disagree.....

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...merica’s Founding Fathers
Citing Wallbuilders is no different than a lib citing Bill Maher. Show some respect for peoples' intelligence before using propaganda as a source.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #29
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Citing Wallbuilders is no different than a lib citing Bill Maher. Show some respect for peoples' intelligence before using propaganda as a source.
Using documents from direct quotes from our founding fathers is propaganda......ya ok.
Wallbuilders put the quotes together for ease of reading, but you can go to the library of congress and look them up for yourself because that is were they are found.
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Using documents from direct quotes from our founding fathers is propaganda......ya ok.
Wallbuilders put the quotes together for ease of reading, but you can go to the library of congress and look them up for yourself because that is were they are found.
"Direct quotes" according to a highly controversial, evangelical Christian minister's website. The guy is a complete fraud. Anyone that cares about historical accuracy knows David Barton is anything but a legitimate source.

http://www.examiner.com/article/faux...sed-as-a-fraud

Let us know when you remove your head from your (or "god's") ass.
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So, by me having an opinion and mentioning God, it's shoving it down people's throat.
But you having an opinion is only stating your opinion and not shoving it down people's throat?
I could say the same for your opinion but you are entitled to it, just like I am enitled to mine.
What I don't understand is people have opinions and when they bring them up people can discuss or debate, but when anybody mentions God it all of a sudden offends people and its shoving the said opinion down peoples throats.
So is it the dislike of the mention of the word God or the messenger?



You my friend need to go back and look up the history of this nation and what it's founding fathers intended it to be.
So does the name calling make you feel better?
I was actually talking about the religious right.. but if you feel like that describes you... then thats something you need to introspect on..
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #32
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Some people do need religion shoved down there throats.

http://newsone.com/2018359/two-peopl...over-kool-aid/

Like the two moral less ninjas in Detroit who shot at eachother over kool aid.
I am pretty sure they probably go to church more than me.. and I have never shot at anyone..
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #33
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If you are a white male, you no longer make the difference you once did.

Republicans do not need a hard right wing contender, they need a moderate leaning right. Who gives a shit if a man loves another man, honestly, if they work and contribute the vast majority could give a shit less.
Same for the immigrants, if they come in legally and work, pay taxes, fine, again most do not care, even if they speak broken English.
The religious right is no longer a real majority in this country. They will still vote their majority to a right leaning moderate candidate, so quit playing to them with the high and might christian, repeal abortion, marriage is a man and women rhetoric.

Stick to REAL issues, like getting everyone, black, white, green, male female, gay, straight, etc a job. Run on stopping outsourcing, deal with China hard nosed, focus regulation on things conducive to job growth today and over the long haul. Offer big business tax breaks, but only on net job creation here and returning jobs from out of country. Cut overall corp tax rates in half, but make them ALL pay the half they are supposed to by eliminating BS loopholes.
Amen, brother.

While I greatly admire Reagan, he's the one who let the Bible thumpers into our tent. The Bible thumpers skew in everything except abortion.

As a conservative, I don't care if gays marry, believe in "choice" (but don't like the way it was done thru the courts), and don't want the government in anyone's bedrooms or lives (including Obiecare).

The are a LOT better at getting someone elected; the are collectively naive and keep looking for the"perfect" candidate instead of taking a good one and marketing the hell out of them.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #34
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I was actually talking about the religious right.. but if you feel like that describes you... then thats something you need to introspect on..
Of course this guy Abe is the religious right. He actually thinks that he's helping people by imposing his (way out there) beliefs on them. He also doesn't understand the difference between voicing an opinion and advocating legislation based on his own.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #35
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The difference between Atheists and the Religious is that Atheists don't really care if you practice religion.
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The difference between Atheists and the Religious is that Atheists don't really care if you practice religion.
Very true. I consider myself an Apatheist, which is pretty much an Atheist. I could care less if others want to practice religion. I might find it hypocritical and funny, but it ends there.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #37
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I'm confused

How did the fact that 50% of this country who seem to favor socialism and laziness and voted for it in this past election...............are the fault of the Christians who for the most part work their butts off for freedom and liberty and didn't vote for socialism

I don't get it.

Sounds to me like y'all are throwing the hard workers under the buss, just to bring in somebody who may or may not help your cause.
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I'm confused

How did the fact that 50% of this country who seem to favor socialism and laziness and voted for it in this past election...............are the fault of the Christians who for the most part work their butts off for freedom and liberty and didn't vote for socialism

I don't get it.

Sounds to me like y'all are throwing the hard workers under the buss, just to bring in somebody who may or may not help your cause.
Simple. Romney would have likely won had the GOP not alienated so many voters on the social issues. The stance on those issues is from religion.
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Simple. Romney would have likely won had the GOP not alienated so many voters on the social issues. The stance on those issues is from religion.

No, I think its called common sense, and respect for fellow man and human life.

Blame game doesn't help anybody but internet thugs who want to swing their e-nads.
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I'm confused- wasn't one of the founding principles of America the separation of Church and State?
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