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Old November 9th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #221
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You're not sticking to God's word. You're sticking to the word of Man claiming it was from God.
Exactly. And looking like a bigoted fool while trying to control others who just want to live their lives.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #222
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Abe, are you willing to admit that you're only against same-sex marriage because you think your bible tells you to and don't have anything to back up your claim that society will go down the shitter?
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #223
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Because the gays will turn our children gay and society will crumble. Just look at the horrible quality of life in Canada and Europe. Wait???
Oooooorrrrrrr. People like aber will make judgemental children that will look at everything that is different than what they believe and preach about how bad it is until everybody gets so sick of hearing about it that they turn away from Christianity. Hardkore 1%ers like aber need to relax a little bit and learn to mind their own business.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #224
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If sticking to God's word is xtreme right then I am sticking to God's word.
See I will and the rest of us will all have to answer to Him one day and I know what my answer will be.
Your answers are slipperier than a politician in heat.

You are proving my point by your own actions stating that not sitting on the fence and having your convictions will bring us all together when in fact its just proving what kind of kook you really are and that those of us with an open mind are willing to consider the right candidate for the job, not the candidate who says that abortion is bad, gay marriage is bad, and nothing else matters.

You're just as socially inept as those who voted for obama for the eact opposite reasons as you. Obama could have had the best plan of action for this nation and you still wouldn't have voted for him because he supports liberal social issues.

You're a failure to your fellow man, and god.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #225
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Your answers are slipperier than a politician in heat.

You are proving my point by your own actions stating that not sitting on the fence and having your convictions will bring us all together when in fact its just proving what kind of kook you really are and that those of us with an open mind are willing to consider the right candidate for the job, not the candidate who says that abortion is bad, gay marriage is bad, and nothing else matters.

You're just as socially inept as those who voted for obama for the eact opposite reasons as you. Obama could have had the best plan of action for this nation and you still wouldn't have voted for him because he supports liberal social issues.

You're a failure to your fellow man, and god.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 06:52 PM   #226
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Do you really want to go there?

What about the Child who is half way out of the womb. (Partial birth abortion) they don't have rights?

There is no statement given by me or anybody else that will change the view on why the same sex marrage partners want the word Married in their title.
My belief is written in God's word, as one man and one woman. This is the Christian belief, and I will not deny that.
However, I have not brought this topic up or have I commented to you on it other then money spent toward legislation.

As a Christian God's word is higher law.
On the other side of the coin, my cousin who had a baby die in her uterius couldn't have a partial birth abortion because of the ban. She had to wait a few months as the baby was dying and then some more time with a dead baby in her and then go through normal labor for a dead baby. Is that fair either? The doctors knew the baby was dying and it couldn't be saved and she couldn't put it or herself out of the misery of the situation.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #227
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Whatever Abe said about the gays I'll bet I agree 100%
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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #228
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Your answers are slipperier than a politician in heat.

You are proving my point by your own actions stating that not sitting on the fence and having your convictions will bring us all together when in fact its just proving what kind of kook you really are and that those of us with an open mind are willing to consider the right candidate for the job, not the candidate who says that abortion is bad, gay marriage is bad, and nothing else matters.

You're just as socially inept as those who voted for obama for the eact opposite reasons as you. Obama could have had the best plan of action for this nation and you still wouldn't have voted for him because he supports liberal social issues.

You're a failure to your fellow man, and god.
Just because I believe that marriage should be between 1man and 1woman and abortion is murder I'm a failure. According to you and a few of your friends and probably more of society than I'd like to think of.
I am so glad that I do not have to look to you or society to determine who i am. I look to God for approval not man. So I could really care less of your opinion of me or other Christians.
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Im a christian, raised by christians and most of my family is christians. 99% of my family will vote for social values that align with there beliefs first, and political/policy issues second. Though I do agree on the GOP stance on social issues, I would not have an issue if a GOP candidate didnt stand for that. First thing anyone person should consider regardless of beliefs is will this candidate provide the best safety for our nation, secondly we need a candidate to cut spending, and create a great business case for business growth/jobs in the US. The biggest issue with many christians is they get hung up on a lot of the social issues. Then they express there feelings in such a passionate way it comes across as judgmental to people that dont think the same way. If Christians/GOP wanted to have a better image towards non christians or Libs they would take a more sincere aproach towards other peoples beliefs. I dont think of a gay person any different then anyother person. You have to show love to all people and beliefs.
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Im a christian, raised by christians and most of my family is christians. 99% of my family will vote for social values that align with there beliefs first, and political/policy issues second. Though I do agree on the GOP stance on social issues, I would not have an issue if a GOP candidate didnt stand for that. First thing anyone person should consider regardless of beliefs is will this candidate provide the best safety for our nation, secondly we need a candidate to cut spending, and create a great business case for business growth/jobs in the US. The biggest issue with many christians is they get hung up on a lot of the social issues. Then they express there feelings in such a passionate way it comes across as judgmental to people that dont think the same way. If Christians/GOP wanted to have a better image towards non christians or Libs they would take a more sincere aproach towards other peoples beliefs. I dont think of a gay person any different then anyother person. You have to show love to all people and beliefs.
Man, that was very well put.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #231
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Just because I believe that marriage should be between 1man and 1woman and abortion is murder I'm a failure. According to you and a few of your friends and probably more of society than I'd like to think of.
I am so glad that I do not have to look to you or society to determine who i am. I look to God for approval not man. So I could really care less of your opinion of me or other Christians.
Good, great...that's what you believe. No one is saying that's a problem. We're saying it's a problem that you and people like you want to force it on everyone else. What gives you the right? Just because "God" supposed said so to people who wrote it in a book a couple thousand years ago?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #232
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Ron Paul came across as much of a quack as Aber.
But is he really or were you just led to believe that?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 05:22 AM   #233
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If sticking to God's word is xtreme right then I am sticking to God's word.
See I will and the rest of us will all have to answer to Him one day and I know what my answer will be.
So, in this past election the Word of God told you to vote for a cultist that denies the Lord Jesus because that candidate didn't drink, smoke, and believed in an Old Testament type of subservient woman and coincidentally happened to want to end abortion?

Make no mistake, I too feel that it's appalling that this Country has ended nearly 60,000,000 pregnancies with death in the past 40 years. I also however don't have the answers to the very difficult questions regarding medical procedures, rape etc. - and since I'm currently not technically able to get pregnant due to being a man, don't have any daughters, am far past the point of having kids - I can't personally know the difficulties or stresses of being forced into an unwanted, or unsafe pregnancy. So I don't rant and rail about trying to tell a woman what she can, or can not do to/with her body - knowing full well that an unborn life has no real advocate or say in the manner.

For you, you might wonder how someone could live with that dichotomy. For me, long ago I learned that clubbing people with the Bible is not supposed to be our role.

Showing people a glimmer of the grace we have been granted is in my worthless and humble opinion a more Christian way. If in the end it means my walk on earth has been ineffective then I deal with that at the appropriate time, but it's not the right of any Man or Woman to tell or force others how to live. When we do so, we place an artificial judging and/or an artificial rating scale on sin. The Catholics have long done that with their "mortal sin" vs. confessionalize it away sin, say 7 hail Mary's and do it no more crap.

Anyone with a mustard seed's amount of faith knows that over the long term, man will not solve man's problems - through revolution, an election, or the passing of laws and regulations on social issues. That same person also knows that sin is sin, whether it be abortion, murder, avarice, sloth, idolatry, pride... well you get the idea - we all wallow in it. So if you vote solely on the idea that your candidate is going to outlaw one sin consider all of the sin that you or they might be turning a blind eye towards.

Us Americans have a huge problem with various forms of lust, idolatry and greed for example...
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Im a christian, raised by christians and most of my family is christians. 99% of my family will vote for social values that align with there beliefs first, and political/policy issues second. Though I do agree on the GOP stance on social issues, I would not have an issue if a GOP candidate didnt stand for that. First thing anyone person should consider regardless of beliefs is will this candidate provide the best safety for our nation, secondly we need a candidate to cut spending, and create a great business case for business growth/jobs in the US. The biggest issue with many christians is they get hung up on a lot of the social issues. Then they express there feelings in such a passionate way it comes across as judgmental to people that dont think the same way. If Christians/GOP wanted to have a better image towards non christians or Libs they would take a more sincere aproach towards other peoples beliefs. I dont think of a gay person any different then anyother person. You have to show love to all people and beliefs.
Well said and what's interesting is that you could take this statement and replace "christian" with any other race or religion and it still would be true.

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You all need to lighten up and watch some Ralphie May.


His new one to big to ignore touches on some great topics.


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Don't know how well said it was or wasn't, but I would like extra credit for typing it on the treadmill
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The real frustration is that a presidential candidate really has little to no direct influence over the social issues. So Obie has "evolved" in his thinking around gay marriage. When will it become legalized? Last I saw, that's a state issue and the President doesn't have the power to unilaterally enact legislation.

Likewise,the President lacks the magic wand to affect changes to abortion, etc...

The "social issues" are distractions that keep the bulk of the unthinking sound bite electorate from asking real questions about the economy, wars, nuclear Iran, Libya, flexibility for Putin, specifics on energy policy, etc....
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The real frustration is that a presidential candidate really has little to no direct influence over the social issues. So Obie has "evolved" in his thinking around gay marriage. When will it become legalized? Last I saw, that's a state issue and the President doesn't have the power to unilaterally enact legislation.

Likewise,the President lacks the magic wand to affect changes to abortion, etc...

The "social issues" are distractions that keep the bulk of the unthinking sound bite electorate from asking real questions about the economy, wars, nuclear Iran, Libya, flexibility for Putin, specifics on energy policy, etc....
Yep. I tried explaining that to people. Marriage has been state level, and Obama can't come up with some full on abortion law alone. People still don't know or don't care. He says he supports it so that's what they want to hear. It is a complete distraction from the real issues.
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The "social issues" are distractions that keep the bulk of the unthinking sound bite electorate from asking real questions about the economy, wars, nuclear Iran, Libya, flexibility for Putin, specifics on energy policy, etc....
the real important issue at hand, should I give up and bail on the American Artillery tech tree, or buy the molasses slow Priest?

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Yep. I tried explaining that to people. Marriage has been state level, and Obama can't come up with some full on abortion law alone. People still don't know or don't care. He says he supports it so that's what they want to hear. It is a complete distraction from the real issues.
the left/liberal mindset will always ask the question, because it feeds the base of the minorities - AND just as importantly it makes the right squirm and/or attempt to address it.

for many, answering: "that's a State's issue" isn't good enough today because so many people have forgotten we're supposed to be a Republic of States, and increasingly States are NOT self sufficient - so many folks see State Government as only beneficial in doling out portions of Fed. Monies, and/or dealing with explicitly local/regional topcs.
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The real frustration is that a presidential candidate really has little to no direct influence over the social issues. So Obie has "evolved" in his thinking around gay marriage. When will it become legalized? Last I saw, that's a state issue and the President doesn't have the power to unilaterally enact legislation.

Likewise,the President lacks the magic wand to affect changes to abortion, etc...

The "social issues" are distractions that keep the bulk of the unthinking sound bite electorate from asking real questions about the economy, wars, nuclear Iran, Libya, flexibility for Putin, specifics on energy policy, etc....
I'm not sure about the president's real impact on the gay marriage issue, but, I know people voted heavily on social issues this election given the age of current Supreme Court Justices. It is highly likely that the current president will appoint multiple justices as the current ones die or retire. Given that, it would be reasonable for Roe v. Wade to be in jeopardy if Romney had won and appointed equally conservative justices (which he would have). I also think gay marriage will reach the SCOTUS in the next four years and if not extending them the same rights is deemed unconstitutional, it will be impacted at the federal level. This election is far greater than the next four years as Supreme Court judges tend to stick around for a LONG time.

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