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Old November 7th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #1
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I can say it is now clear that if you are a fiscal conservative you need to actively separate yourself from the religious right that desires to control women, limit immigration rights, and define marriage as between a man and a woman. Those issues are dead letter issues in terms of electing a president.

Republicans have managed to totally alienate the hispanic, asian, and educated female vote. I am concerned about the debt and economic growth, but only if it allows all Americans to move forward as equals and that is something the current Republican party does not support and it is why they will never win another national election with this current philosophy.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 07:44 AM   #2
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One of the most educated things I've read this morning. I'm sick of reading all the stuff about "quitting my job and signing up for government aid this morning".

I agree completely. I think the republican party crossed a lot of lines this time around and burned a lot of bridges. Going after women's rights and gay marriage was a bold move that hurt the party. I'm sure there's much more pressing issues that could have been addressed instead.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:04 AM   #3
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I can say it is now clear that if you are a fiscal conservative you need to actively separate yourself from the religious right that desires to control women, limit immigration rights, and define marriage as between a man and a woman. Those issues are dead letter issues in terms of electing a president.

Republicans have managed to totally alienate the hispanic, asian, and educated female vote. I am concerned about the debt and economic growth, but only if it allows all Americans to move forward as equals and that is something the current Republican party does not support and it is why they will never win another national election with this current philosophy.
There is a difference between the two parties and not being different would mean to join thier party and be like them.
As for your comment about the religious right controlling women, maybe you could fill me in on that.
Immigration? you mean open the borders and let anybody in, right?
Marriage being redifined and tax payers footing the cost of abortions and contraception.]
Heck why don't we all be DEMOCRATS, because you just explained how they work.
Just because there are more people on government assistance and wanting to stay there does not mean that is normal and we should just go along with it.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:09 AM   #4
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I can say it is now clear that if you are a fiscal conservative you need to actively separate yourself from the religious right that desires to control women, limit immigration rights, and define marriage as between a man and a woman. Those issues are dead letter issues in terms of electing a president.

Republicans have managed to totally alienate the hispanic, asian, and educated female vote. I am concerned about the debt and economic growth, but only if it allows all Americans to move forward as equals and that is something the current Republican party does not support and it is why they will never win another national election with this current philosophy.
This simply is not true. Republicans may have been able to totally alienate the uneducated female vote. But my mother, who is a college educated woman who recently started her own business is not alienated by the republican party. Neither is my Master's degree educated fiance. Or her mother, or a host of other educated women I know.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:15 AM   #5
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Yup, open up the borders and let all the Democrats from Mexico in. That will solve everything. I am so discouraged. Republicans will have to do something different if we ever want to win another election, but it isnt going to be at a sacrafice to our moral and religious beliefs.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:18 AM   #6
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Yup, open up the borders and let all the Democrats from Mexico in. That will solve everything. I am so discouraged. Republicans will have to do something different if we ever want to win another election, but it isnt going to be at a sacrafice to our moral and religious beliefs.
Wow!!

Mr. Green, I'm impressed, and I applaud you. You have my respect.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 08:18 AM   #7
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Well I can say is to hell with it all let's just have a dictator so no one can bitch about anything. That's what is great about this country is we can express our feelings. And not be killed or jailed.
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One of the most educated things I've read this morning. I'm sick of reading all the stuff about "quitting my job and signing up for government aid this morning".
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Old November 7th, 2012, 09:41 AM   #9
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If you are a white male, you no longer make the difference you once did.

Republicans do not need a hard right wing contender, they need a moderate leaning right. Who gives a shit if a man loves another man, honestly, if they work and contribute the vast majority could give a shit less.
Same for the immigrants, if they come in legally and work, pay taxes, fine, again most do not care, even if they speak broken English.
The religious right is no longer a real majority in this country. They will still vote their majority to a right leaning moderate candidate, so quit playing to them with the high and might christian, repeal abortion, marriage is a man and women rhetoric.

Stick to REAL issues, like getting everyone, black, white, green, male female, gay, straight, etc a job. Run on stopping outsourcing, deal with China hard nosed, focus regulation on things conducive to job growth today and over the long haul. Offer big business tax breaks, but only on net job creation here and returning jobs from out of country. Cut overall corp tax rates in half, but make them ALL pay the half they are supposed to by eliminating BS loopholes.
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This simply is not true. Republicans may have been able to totally alienate the uneducated female vote. But my mother, who is a college educated woman who recently started her own business is not alienated by the republican party. Neither is my Master's degree educated fiance. Or her mother, or a host of other educated women I know.
Same here. I see as many or more guys in favor of Obama as women.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 10:01 AM   #11
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If you are a white male, you no longer make the difference you once did.

Republicans do not need a hard right wing contender, they need a moderate leaning right. Who gives a shit if a man loves another man, honestly, if they work and contribute the vast majority could give a shit less.
Same for the immigrants, if they come in legally and work, pay taxes, fine, again most do not care, even if they speak broken English.
The religious right is no longer a real majority in this country. They will still vote their majority to a right leaning moderate candidate, so quit playing to them with the high and might christian, repeal abortion, marriage is a man and women rhetoric.

Stick to REAL issues, like getting everyone, black, white, green, male female, gay, straight, etc a job. Run on stopping outsourcing, deal with China hard nosed, focus regulation on things conducive to job growth today and over the long haul. Offer big business tax breaks, but only on net job creation here and returning jobs from out of country. Cut overall corp tax rates in half, but make them ALL pay the half they are supposed to by eliminating BS loopholes.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #12
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If you are a white male, you no longer make the difference you once did.

Republicans do not need a hard right wing contender, they need a moderate leaning right. Who gives a shit if a man loves another man, honestly, if they work and contribute the vast majority could give a shit less.
Same for the immigrants, if they come in legally and work, pay taxes, fine, again most do not care, even if they speak broken English.
The religious right is no longer a real majority in this country. They will still vote their majority to a right leaning moderate candidate, so quit playing to them with the high and might christian, repeal abortion, marriage is a man and women rhetoric.

Stick to REAL issues, like getting everyone, black, white, green, male female, gay, straight, etc a job. Run on stopping outsourcing, deal with China hard nosed, focus regulation on things conducive to job growth today and over the long haul. Offer big business tax breaks, but only on net job creation here and returning jobs from out of country. Cut overall corp tax rates in half, but make them ALL pay the half they are supposed to by eliminating BS loopholes.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #13
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Same here. I see as many or more guys in favor of Obama as women.
The difference in my opinion was seeing women who were educated and intelligent (but highly emotional apparently) voting on a single issue that they considered to be about their basic rights. It happened more than any of us would like to believe. We need to rectify that somehow.
Like I said in the other thread, lets stop politicing to regulate social morality because it doesn't work anyway and it alienates people.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #14
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You can try to change the republican party, or your definition of conservative all you want, it wont matter. The fact is the media dictates the discussion. The media creates the issues.

Think of something like ghey marriage. Be honest, nobody cares. They parrot some religious zealot on tv as tho it is everyone in the republican party. They force the issue until people get so defensive they HAVE to take sides. Its a mess. There is no solution
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Old November 7th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #15
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You can try to change the republican party, or your definition of conservative all you want, it wont matter. The fact is the media dictates the discussion. The media creates the issues.

Think of something like ghey marriage. Be honest, nobody cares. They parrot some religious zealot on tv as tho it is everyone in the republican party. They force the issue until people get so defensive they HAVE to take sides. Its a mess. There is no solution
I agree with all but your last sentence.

It will be resolved eventually and it will be ugly. Neither of the two parties or their zombie followers get it.
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If you are a white male, you no longer make the difference you once did.

Republicans do not need a hard right wing contender, they need a moderate leaning right. Who gives a shit if a man loves another man, honestly, if they work and contribute the vast majority could give a shit less.
Same for the immigrants, if they come in legally and work, pay taxes, fine, again most do not care, even if they speak broken English.
The religious right is no longer a real majority in this country. They will still vote their majority to a right leaning moderate candidate, so quit playing to them with the high and might christian, repeal abortion, marriage is a man and women rhetoric.

Stick to REAL issues, like getting everyone, black, white, green, male female, gay, straight, etc a job. Run on stopping outsourcing, deal with China hard nosed, focus regulation on things conducive to job growth today and over the long haul. Offer big business tax breaks, but only on net job creation here and returning jobs from out of country. Cut overall corp tax rates in half, but make them ALL pay the half they are supposed to by eliminating BS loopholes.
The more this country turns away from God and biblical principals, which this country was founded on , the worse things willl get. Just saying.
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The more this country turns away from God and biblical principals, which this country was founded on , the worse things willl get. Just saying.
Is it not good enough that you have the freedom to believe whatever you want? Why do you need to shove it down people's throats? It only alienates people like me who are non religious. Having said that it did not alienate me enough to vote democrat but I did find all of the conversations stupid and only harmful to the party.
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The more this country turns away from God and biblical principals, which this country was founded on , the worse things willl get. Just saying.
This country was founded on religious freedom you bible clutching christ cracker consumer.
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We should not expect the government to dictate morality to the people. The best we can do is elect officials who don't spend the people's money to fund immorale acts.
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Is it not good enough that you have the freedom to believe whatever you want? Why do you need to shove it down people's throats? It only alienates people like me who are non religious. Having said that it did not alienate me enough to vote democrat but I did find all of the conversations stupid and only harmful to the party.
So, by me having an opinion and mentioning God, it's shoving it down people's throat.
But you having an opinion is only stating your opinion and not shoving it down people's throat?
I could say the same for your opinion but you are entitled to it, just like I am enitled to mine.
What I don't understand is people have opinions and when they bring them up people can discuss or debate, but when anybody mentions God it all of a sudden offends people and its shoving the said opinion down peoples throats.
So is it the dislike of the mention of the word God or the messenger?

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This country was founded on religious freedom you bible clutching christ cracker consumer.
You my friend need to go back and look up the history of this nation and what it's founding fathers intended it to be.
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