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Old November 7th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #81
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We have all seen the effects of the Obama win, sad day
As soon as Obamacare kicks in and our taxes go up, living expences, gas, clothes and what ever else that can be taxed. Then we will see our nation become like poor country. The middle class will become smaller because of low paying jobs.
When Obama said that he would fundementally transform this nation I don't think most people understood what he meant.
I am so bummed.
You realize that pretty much every "rich" country in the world have some kind of government medical care, most also have college funds completely paid for. Not saying I'm for Obama, but fact is our country is out dated compared to other places. Just because Obama won doesn't mean your going to die or the world is going to end. I'm not losing any sleep!
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Condi Rice 2016?
Possible but here are some downsides to her career. She is tied in with Bush. Bush's second term left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. While she was National Security Advisor the 9/11 attacks happened and following that she assured the public US that Iraq was close to Nuclear weapons and had WMD's.

Also she is unmarried and does not have children. People like to see candidates that have family values - and families.

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Possible but here are some downsides to her career. She is tied in with Bush. Bush's second term left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. While she was National Security Advisor the 9/11 attacks happened and following that she assured the public US that Iraq was close to Nuclear weapons and had WMD's.

Also she is unmarried and does not have children. People like to see candidates that have family values - and families.
Iraq did have WMDs. Many roadside IEDs were recovered/used against our convoys that had Sarin and Ricin artillery shells as cores.
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Iraq did have WMDs. Many roadside IEDs were recovered/used against our convoys that had Sarin and Ricin artillery shells as cores.
Road side bombs/IEDS are not weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. Go back to playing Metal Gear.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #85
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Obama even took Oakland county. I'm depressed.
haven't won a presidential election in Oakland county since Bush lost in 1992.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #86
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Obama's victory speech included the line “Tonight, more than 200 years after a former colony won the right to determine its own destiny, the task of perfecting our union moves forward.”.

"the task of perfecting our union".... Well, I've seen his idea of a perfect union and it doesn't resemble the country as founded. He didn't lie about one thing 4 years ago, he's here to fundamentally change the United States, bring Her down to size. He has never liked America's super power status.

I'll be surprised if we make it another 2 years if the policies aren't changed. Gas prices are about to double; energy prices "will necessarily skyrocket"; food prices are headed in the same direction; we have enemies in positions of power; we will be seriously disarmed very soon; $16 trillion debt and counting.

If you want to try to understand how Obama thinks of America then you just need to read his books. There is no possible way he feels the same as most people, he was never raised here, as soon as he was born he was taken to another country, he didn't step foot on the mainland until he was 18. He grew up with anti-colonialists and communists teaching him so how can anyone think he could possibly feel the same about America as a kid growing up in everyday rural America attending 4th of July parades every year. No conspiracy theories, just facts from his own words.

I hear people all the time say "it won't happen to America". Why not? We took down one of the most powerful nations on earth, the USSR, by making them go bankrupt. Look at the EU, countries are dropping like flies due to their debt. It can happen to us.

I fear for my children's future, it looks very bleak. Very soon the "entitled" will rise up against the "providers" when the money dries up.

Sorry, felt like venting somewhere.

I always wondered how someone as evil as Adolf Hitler could rise to power.

After this election I no longer wonder.
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Road side bombs/IEDS are not weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. Go back to playing Metal Gear.
do you know what sarin or ricin is?


I inferred that he was stating that they did in fact have them, but they were partially disassembled, and/or converted into IED's - in part by removing the toxic gases so as to not kill themselves/neighbors when they blew 'em up fighting the infidel Americans...
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haven't won a presidential election in Oakland county since Bush lost in 1992.
I wasn't surprised that Brown beat Bullard, I was a bit surprised that McCullough lost.

And would have loved to have seen Meisner get humbled a bit. That kid has an ego on him...
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Road side bombs/IEDS are not weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. Go back to playing Metal Gear.
Sarin and Ricin aren't considered WMDs?

Damn...RyeBread beat me to it.
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I wasn't surprised that Brown beat Bullard, I was a bit surprised that McCullough lost.

And would have loved to have seen Meisner get humbled a bit. That kid has an ego on him...
I wasn't surprised with any of the county-wide results. Bullard barely campaigned at all and McCullough's campaign was just awful. I've never worked with McCullough or met him more than to just shake a hand, but have had dealings with Bullard and his ego is up there with Meisner's. Even the supervisors and managers on his staff often seem more than annoyed with him when I have been over there.

Regarding Meisner, yes, I would have liked to see him get knocked down a peg (but I still want him to stay in office as I think he has some great ideas and has done a pretty good job). His mom, the mayor in Oak Park, has just as much ego, or more, as he does.

I think the County Executive race was a lot closer than a lot of people expected it to be. If you parse out the voters who voted straight ticket versus those who split the ticket, it looks like Patterson kept his job because that race, and the sheriff race, were basically the only ones where Democrats were willing to cross the party line.
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I wasn't surprised with any of the county-wide results. Bullard barely campaigned at all and McCullough's campaign was just awful. I've never worked with McCullough or met him more than to just shake a hand, but have had dealings with Bullard and his ego is up there with Meisner's. Even the supervisors and managers on his staff often seem more than annoyed with him when I have been over there.

Regarding Meisner, yes, I would have liked to see him get knocked down a peg (but I still want him to stay in office as I think he has some great ideas and has done a pretty good job). His mom, the mayor in Oak Park, has just as much ego, or more, as he does.

I think the County Executive race was a lot closer than a lot of people expected it to be. If you parse out the voters who voted straight ticket versus those who split the ticket, it looks like Patterson basically kept his job because that race, and the sheriff race, were basically the only ones where Democrats were willing to cross the party line.
no doubt, I couldn't stand Bullard back when he was in Lansing.

and while McCullough's campaign may have been awful, name recognition usually wins that, and every "water recourse commish" (why the *bleep* can't we just keep calling 'em drain commissioners?) put their names on every chapter drain, lake level control, vehicle and/or anywhere else they can think of.

I have a good friend/P.E. that works in the Drain (sorry WRC) office and there are always complaints about morale up and down the payscale there. Can't help but wonder if a shake-up will change some of that.

I worked with both Dohany's and really enjoyed working with them. Both were gentlemen that understood the law, finance and loved technology - but they were both perhaps a bit too patient with the pace that the County adopted same - and they didn't really campaign at all.

and holy hell, I can't fathom the amount of urine/shart-soaked underwear there was when Brooks was in his car accident and all of his deputies and appointees were wondering if they were potentially on the line... a couple of them I used to work with on a regular basis, and while I got along with them very well (because I performed) they too had olympic sized ego's
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Road side bombs/IEDS are not weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION. Go back to playing Metal Gear.
You, sir, are a retard.

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do you know what sarin or ricin is?


I inferred that he was stating that they did in fact have them, but they were partially disassembled, and/or converted into IED's - in part by removing the toxic gases so as to not kill themselves/neighbors when they blew 'em up fighting the infidel Americans...
And the gasses were not removed. They were used against us.

Luckily those shells don't work quite right when they detonate below ground and very few were ever affected by the gas itself.
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And the gasses were not removed. They were used against us.

Luckily those shells don't work quite right when they detonate below ground and very few were ever affected by the gas itself.
didn't know that, and glad to know it was mostly ineffective.

both are scary shit from reading the wiki
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I didn't know they had those as well. I don't remember hearing any reports to that effect but I also didn't pay as much attention away from mainstream media as I do now.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/...explodes-iraq/

The briefings and training we got in Iraq were much more detailed.
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You realize that pretty much every "rich" country in the world have some kind of government medical care, most also have college funds completely paid for. Not saying I'm for Obama, but fact is our country is out dated compared to other places. Just because Obama won doesn't mean your going to die or the world is going to end. I'm not losing any sleep!

I'd like to see statistics rather than hyperbole and "most". In citing your statistics I'd also love to see statistics on waiting times, quality of care and how often their Governmental rulers come to America for medical procedures... And don't freaking patronize us by comparing the diversity that is the United States to some flea-bitten "rich" homogenous sand box like the UAE that has fewer residents than the State of Michigan.

and finally I'd love to see information related to 'healthy living' mandates that most Americans will simply say "FU" to.

We don't have a healthcare problem per se' here in the US, rather we have a lifestyle problem...

re: government sponsored higher education - ask Commiefornia how well that's working out.
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I hate to say it, but I believe that George W. Bush just might have been the last Republican President this country will ever have. Think about it. It's obvious that the "takers" now outnumber the "producers" in this country. The Obama policies pretty much guarantee that the number of "takers" in this country is going to continue to grow. It's also a fact that once you start giving people things, is extremely hard to take those things away. Take a look at Greece as evidence at what happens when you try. All any future Democrat candidate has to do is point to his Republican challenger and tell all the "takers" - " Look, he's going to take away everything I want to give you", and he gets all the "takers" votes. And having a Republican candidate say something like "The first thing I will do is repeal Obamacare" (the biggest present to the "takers" in history) only helps only gives the Democrat more ammunition to feed the "takers".
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I hate to say it, but I believe that George W. Bush just might have been the last Republican President this country will ever have. Think about it. It's obvious that the "takers" now outnumber the "producers" in this country. The Obama policies pretty much guarantee that the number of "takers" in this country is going to continue to grow. It's also a fact that once you start giving people things, is extremely hard to take those things away. Take a look at Greece as evidence at what happens when you try. All any future Democrat candidate has to do is point to his Republican challenger and tell all the "takers" - " Look, he's going to take away everything I want to give you", and he gets all the "takers" votes. And having a Republican candidate say something like "The first thing I will do is repeal Obamacare" (the biggest present to the "takers" in history) only helps only gives the Democrat more ammunition to feed the "takers".
Sad, but I think you are spot on...
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Old November 7th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #100
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You realize that pretty much every "rich" country in the world have some kind of government medical care, most also have college funds completely paid for. Not saying I'm for Obama, but fact is our country is out dated compared to other places. Just because Obama won doesn't mean your going to die or the world is going to end. I'm not losing any sleep!
And every other country in the world that does provide healthcare provides the minimal care required. Wealthy people of those countries come to this country for medical procedures. Do you know why? Because we have the best healthcare in the world.
If obamacare is fully implemented I would like you to remember what it used to be like, because I can garente you that you will not receive the best care and you will be paying alot for it. The old in this country will suffer greatly from obamacare.
Do you think of were the money comes from to pay for some lazy assed kid to go to college? Nothing is FREE, Wake up.
This country will never be the same. This is only the begining of our freedoms being taken away.
Gun ownership is one thing we will notice that is going to get tougher to get, ammo and guns, permits.
Obama did win and now he has 4 more years to push in socielists aganda. More government control usuallly means less freedoms we have. They are intrusive and want to control everything we do. But hey if thats what you want.......
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