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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #1
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I did like this guy. But with his gas tax proposal he can F off. Isn't gas costly enough? Why should Michigan have the highest gas tax? I hope the son of bitch runs out of gas on his way to dinner and no one helps his ass.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #2
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Yes, his gas tax and registration increase proposal has me pissed off as well.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #3
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Going in he never said he wasn't against increase taxes where it fits. I don't like it either, but again I can't say I wouldn't mind roads being in better shape even if it meant I had to pay a couple cents more a gallon.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #4
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Going in he never said he wasn't against increase taxes where it fits. I don't like it either, but again I can't say I wouldn't mind roads being in better shape even if it meant I had to pay a couple cents more a gallon.
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This helps Michigan, We do not have enough money to keep the roads in good shape. It actually costs taxpayers less money in the long run because they will have money to maintain the roads before they get so bad they have to replace the entire road!
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #5
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So how do electric cars pay to maintain the roads?
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #6
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So how do electric cars pay to maintain the roads?
Thats a good point. I think that there will be a electric car tax in our future like the gas guzzler tax that we have now. Maybe the new registration costs will be higher for electric vehicles? Or they will tax our electric bills.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #7
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Some of the projects I see around me seem to be a waste of money. They recently repaved Northwestern Highway. I drive it every day and it wasn't that bad. A couple of years ago they repaved Telegraph. Some places on Telegraph did need it but a lot didn't.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:12 PM   #8
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Just my $0.02...

I don't see that the roads are EVER going to get better in Michigan. We lived in Missouri for 3 years, not a single rock chip in my windshield. The past 2 years in MI I have 5 chips. And yet MO taxes are MUCH lower. I think they just use the roads as an excuse to tax more and more.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #9
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Just my $0.02...

I don't see that the roads are EVER going to get better in Michigan. We lived in Missouri for 3 years, not a single rock chip in my windshield. The past 2 years in MI I have 5 chips. And yet MO taxes are MUCH lower. I think they just use the roads as an excuse to tax more and more.
Misseries roads don't see the abuse that michigans do.

A couple cents a gallon doesn't bother me. I will make it back in not fixing the blown out suspension under my car.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #10
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It's more than a couple cents a gallon. When we were in MO from 2007-2010 it was about $0.60/gallon cheaper. Multiply by about 40 gallons a week for me and that equals $24/week or rougly $100/month difference just for 1 car! Michiganders have and will get hosed on gas. You just don't realize it until you leave the state.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #11
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Taxing gas isn't the way to do it. Tax the heavy hauler trucks more. Ie gravel trains steel haulers and garbage trucks. Those do the most damage to the roads. Or another way TOLL BOOTHS! Charge the out of state drivers also that use the roads to get from Canada to Ohio and beyond. And the gas tax won't help with the roads that much.

Michigan is the only state that allows trucks to haul more than 80,000 gross. Some gravel and steel haulers can haul 160,000 lbs and more. Those are what does the damage. Not the cars. And the freeze thaw cycle isn't as bad as most think. Drive a Canadian or Minnesota road. They are no where near as bad as ours.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #12
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Taxing gas isn't the way to do it. Tax the heavy hauler trucks more. Ie gravel trains steel haulers and garbage trucks. Those do the most damage to the roads. Or another way TOLL BOOTHS! Charge the out of state drivers also that use the roads to get from Canada to Ohio and beyond. And the gas tax won't help with the roads that much.

Michigan is the only state that allows trucks to haul more than 80,000 gross. Some gravel and steel haulers can haul 160,000 lbs and more. Those are what does the damage. Not the cars. And the freeze thaw cycle isn't as bad as most think. Drive a Canadian or Minnesota road. They are no where near as bad as ours.
I can see that one.

Our roads get beat up more than a cheap whore.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:39 PM   #13
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Taxing gas isn't the way to do it. Tax the heavy hauler trucks more. Ie gravel trains steel haulers and garbage trucks. Those do the most damage to the roads. Or another way TOLL BOOTHS! Charge the out of state drivers also that use the roads to get from Canada to Ohio and beyond. And the gas tax won't help with the roads that much.

Michigan is the only state that allows trucks to haul more than 80,000 gross. Some gravel and steel haulers can haul 160,000 lbs and more. Those are what does the damage. Not the cars. And the freeze thaw cycle isn't as bad as most think. Drive a Canadian or Minnesota road. They are no where near as bad as ours.
This. I don't know of any other state that allows permits to be pulled for these extreme weights. Double up the number of the loads and give the roads a break.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #14
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Taxing gas isn't the way to do it. Tax the heavy hauler trucks more. Ie gravel trains steel haulers and garbage trucks. Those do the most damage to the roads. Or another way TOLL BOOTHS! Charge the out of state drivers also that use the roads to get from Canada to Ohio and beyond. And the gas tax won't help with the roads that much.

Michigan is the only state that allows trucks to haul more than 80,000 gross. Some gravel and steel haulers can haul 160,000 lbs and more. Those are what does the damage. Not the cars. And the freeze thaw cycle isn't as bad as most think. Drive a Canadian or Minnesota road. They are no where near as bad as ours.
How would that help all of the state? I wouldn't want to pay to drive SE MI roads and have the toll money go to fix roads in the UP (Just an example). ANd you state charge the out of state drivers? How would you charge just those drivers??

Good idea, but not practical.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #15
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How would that help all of the state? I wouldn't want to pay to drive SE MI roads and have the toll money go to fix roads in the UP (Just an example). ANd you state charge the out of state drivers? How would you charge just those drivers??

Good idea, but not practical.
Toll booth money go to maintain the road they are on. And the out of state drivers have to pay the toll example. A resident of Ohio using I75 to get to Canada pays a toll on I75 in turn that cash helps to maintain the road. Not that hard to figure out.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:48 PM   #16
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Toll booth money go to maintain the road they are on. And the out of state drivers have to pay the toll example. A resident of Ohio using I75 to get to Canada pays a toll on I75 in turn that cash helps to maintain the road. Not that hard to figure out.
Is there that much traffic to justify constructing booths, staffing people, and maintaining the booths?
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They need to start using the technology that is available to build roads better to begin with. We should not be seeing roads deteriorate within 3-5 years of a repave. The road construction lobby is very strong. They spend a lot of money paying off people to use old standards for building roads. This keeps their construction companies working. The unions support it too. If we built roads that last 20+ years, they fear they would be out of work.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #18
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Is there that much traffic to justify constructing booths, staffing people, and maintaining the booths?
Sure there is go spend an hour or two at the ambassador bridge. Look at all the plates on the cars let alone the truck traffic that comes in and goes to other states.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #19
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Personally I like the idea of toll roads but it is very costly to convert an existing highway/interstate into a toll road because the state is required to give a huge sum of money back to the federal government. The sum closely corresponds to the dollar amount that the feds have paid for all the maintenance on that particular stretch of road since it was first built, but I cannot recall the exact formula.

Building (or rebuilding when doing maintenance) the roads to higher standards and lowering the weight limit on heavy trucks would probably be a much easier long-term solution than retrofitting I-75 or I-94 into a toll road.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 02:58 PM   #20
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They need to start using the technology that is available to build roads better to begin with. We should not be seeing roads deteriorate within 3-5 years of a repave. The road construction lobby is very strong. They spend a lot of money paying off people to use old standards for building roads. This keeps their construction companies working. The unions support it too. If we built roads that last 20+ years, they fear they would be out of work.


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