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Old October 29th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #21
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Old October 29th, 2012, 01:10 PM   #22
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I believe DuffMan over brewmenn. Sorry Bruce!

It's just not something I've paid attention to or cared what race or mixed race past presidents were.
So you're going to believe someone who is wrong? I called him out saying it, DuffMan hasn't replied yet.

Like I said before I doubt they are black with the exception of a few because even being a little dark back then was pretty much a death sentence. Mulattos pretty much got treated like shit from both sides, too dark to be white, to white to be dark; its highly doubtful that one would make it far in politics back then.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 01:13 PM   #23
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Blindly following what someone says based on post count on an internet message board is just a tad sheepish.

I agree with Bruce here. Post some reputable sources...
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Old October 29th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #24
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You my friend are very delusional.
Thats the pot calling the kettle black .
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Old October 29th, 2012, 03:54 PM   #25
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Abraham Lincoln also killed vampires with an axe. I saw the documentary.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #27
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First Ike:

Here are his parents - take a good look at mom:



Records are a little thin, but the picture certainly speaks volumes. We was born into a VA family, part of which were black and another part of which was black - she lost her parents and had to move to live with white relatives in KS. Oral histories from VA identified her as being black. While somewhat light skinned, she definitely has features. AA folks can identify a "wave" in photos of her hair as she was elderly (I have no idea what that would mean). So the evidence is in the photos, plus the oral history. See pic below:



Coolidge is less clear - his mother died whe he was 12. He described her as "dark" from Indian ancestors. Her maiden name was "Moor", which was the last name commonly given to blacks in Europe and the "Indian" story was commonly used in New England as a polite way of describing blacks intermingled with whites. Again, circumstantial...

Upon deeper digging, Jackson falls apart (there was another Andrew Jackson, a few years younger who was partially black and wrote a book about it). Several historians confused and intermingled the two over the years. Likewise, the stories about Jefferson appear to not be factual. I stand corrected.

Warren Harding is another case of circumstantial evidence - although he never did deny it when asked straight up. He would just talk about "one in the woodpile" or "don't know if one jumped the fence". While he did attend a college founded for blacks, it did allow all races. Here is a photo of his cousin (the woman) - their fathers were brothers.



I'll call this one unclear - although his refusal to deny it during a time when that would've gained him favor (and he was a piss-poor President who could've used the boost).

Lincoln

He's a mess. His mother was a Melungeon, which gave him his dark complexion, eyes, color blindness, and hair - and potentially partially black, based on Melungeon makeup. non-Appalachians can look up Melungeons on their own. A lot of debate over who his father was, with the leading candidates all being white. He also had a long-term case of syphyllis and was alleged to be bi-sexual in addition to being either bi-polar or manic depressive.

My points are:

1) Race was less an issue in our past than it is today
2) Obie is more a sensation based upon his AA appearance rather than actual lineage.
3) History can be fun.
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1) Race was less an issue in our past than it is today
3) History can be fun.
Yeah because slavery, lynching, Jim Crow and segregation were totally less of issues than if our president is half black
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Old October 29th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #29
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Ikes mom doesnt appear to be "insert racial slur here" , unless your suggesting she may be hiding a fried chicken leg behind her back.
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Ikes mom doesnt appear to be "insert racial slur here" , unless your suggesting she may be hiding a fried chicken leg behind her back.
since when is n-e-g-r-o a racial slur?
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Yeah because slavery, lynching, Jim Crow and segregation were totally less of issues than if our president is half black
It makes sense if you don't think about it.
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You mean when your news had words with maybe some small black and white photos people had to think about voting.

I think Abraham lincoln is hawt, i am going to vote for him!!!
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Old October 29th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #33
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Yeah because slavery, lynching, Jim Crow and segregation were totally less of issues than if our president is half black
Not the point at all.

The obsession with race is a relatively new (post Civil War) development. In pre Civil War New Orleans blacks were represented in all levels of society and were even slave owners.

When Sherman took Charleston SC, the commanding officer of the remaining Confederate defenders was himself a free black man (a LA Creole).

After the Civil War, Jim Crow laws emerged across the entire eastern half of the country as southerners struggled to come to terms with large urban groups of blacks and northerners had to learn to deal with their new large black communities. Both were equally guilty in this.

My point is that In addition to being incompetent and in over his head, Obie wasn't even the first biracial President. And from the way things are emerging about the 9/11 attacks in Libya, he's definitely a coward and possibly a traitor as well.
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