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Old October 29th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #61
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There is no life after death, because you are dead.
I would have to disagree. Your physical body will turn to dust but I believe your soul lives on.
There have been alot of people that have told very similar stories of what happen to them during a near death experiences.
If it is something that the mind does during the time out, then why is it that so many people have such similar experiences?
My thinking is there has to be some sort of connection.
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Let it rest. Focus on life now. Raise your children to be good people. People are nowhere ready to understand what is beyond death. For now let those that believe in their religion use that as their knowledge. Trading in 1 book for another is just simply another story.
I am in NO way saying that my entire belief system is now based around that book

Just commenting on how what he experienced more or less jives with what I've felt for a long time.

But when human beings stop asking questions and stop holding discussions on matters bigger than themselves things stagnate and deteriorate quickly. From what history has really shown us... Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc haven't really evolved at all in thousands of years because anyone who introduces an idea is usually shut down, shunned and ridiculed because it's not 100% in line with their old books and then the idea is lost even if there is evidence to support it or it furthers their own faith in the same God. Being in Texas I have met a lot of hardcore bible thumpin' baptists who will argue to the point of absolutely insanity and damn near violence over the "fact" that the Earth is 6,000-7,000 years old. Perfect example.
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I am in NO way saying that my entire belief system is now based around that book

Just commenting on how what he experienced more or less jives with what I've felt for a long time.

But when human beings stop asking questions and stop holding discussions on matters bigger than themselves things stagnate and deteriorate quickly. From what history has really shown us... Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc haven't really evolved at all in thousands of years because anyone who introduces an idea is usually shut down, shunned and ridiculed because it's not 100% in line with their old books and then the idea is lost even if there is evidence to support it or it furthers their own faith in the same God. Being in Texas I have met a lot of hardcore bible thumpin' baptists who will argue to the point of absolutely insanity and damn near violence over the "fact" that the Earth is 6,000-7,000 years old. Perfect example.
I think we starting going downhill once the daily focus shifted from gathering food and surviving together to fucking each other over as a society.
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I would have to disagree. Your physical body will turn to dust but I believe your soul lives on.
There have been alot of people that have told very similar stories of what happen to them during a near death experiences.
If it is something that the mind does during the time out, then why is it that so many people have such similar experiences?
My thinking is there has to be some sort of connection.
The brain is a chemical and electrical organ. As the system 'shuts down', random chemical reactions and neurons firing cause vivid dreams based on memories.

Commonality is due to repetition in media of what one 'should' see at the time of death.

Dead is dead.
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The brain is a chemical and electrical organ. As the system 'shuts down', random chemical reactions and neurons firing cause vivid dreams based on memories.

Commonality is due to repetition in media of what one 'should' see at the time of death.

Dead is dead.
What about people that have out of body experiences? and when revieved/return to thier body, they tell in great detail of what they saw and the people around them agree as to what happened
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I would have to disagree. Your physical body will turn to dust but I believe your soul lives on.
There have been alot of people that have told very similar stories of what happen to them during a near death experiences.
If it is something that the mind does during the time out, then why is it that so many people have such similar experiences?
My thinking is there has to be some sort of connection.
Souls.

There are a few reasons there are similar stories. People here about other experiences, and their subconscious expects the same. The other is that we all share the same chemistry in our brains (and everywhere else for that matter). Neurons are still firing and creating odd memories.
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What about people that have out of body experiences? and when revieved/return to thier body, they tell in great detail of what they saw and the people around them agree as to what happened
All explained by my previous post.
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What about people that have out of body experiences? and when revieved/return to thier body, they tell in great detail of what they saw and the people around them agree as to what happened
http://www.livescience.com/16019-dea...explained.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...dy-experiences
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was around 3 or 4 years old one of those old metal tv antennas fell off our roof and broke. My older brother grabbed a couple of the broken rods and was acting like he was smoking a cig so I did the same, I ended up falling face first and the metal rod went threw my mouth and into my brain. I went out on the way to hospital and almost died due to loss of blood and complications from the rod in my brain. Shit haunts me to this day, No one in my family has said a word about it in over 28 years. I spent a unknown amount of time in the ccu. icu. I do remember the ride in my moms car and telling her how much it hurt then boom I was out. I woke up in the hospital and didnt remember a thing for a long time.
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And the book I just mentioned is a neurosurgeon who used to believe the exact same thing and knows more about the human brain and how it works than every single one of us combined.
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And the book I just mentioned is a neurosurgeon who used to believe the exact same thing and knows more about the human brain and how it works than every single one of us combined.
And there are many neurosurgeons that will tell you he's full of it as well.


Ever hear of Occam's Razor?
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There are plenty of people that attempt to explain away somebody elses life after death experience. But to the person that it happened to, it was real to them. Just as the brain doctor did. His experience was real to him and who can tell him that what he experienced was not real? He could tell you what is a dream and what is not by his experience.
I read a book called, "Heaven is For Real", by Todd Burpo.
Its a story of a 4 year old boy and his experience of going to heaven and back.
It is a very compelling and convincing book.
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There are plenty of people that attempt to explain away somebody elses life after death experience. But to the person that it happened to, it was real to them. Just as the brain doctor did. His experience was real to him and who can tell him that what he experienced was not real? He could tell you what is a dream and what is not by his experience.
I read a book called, "Heaven is For Real", by Todd Burpo.
Its a story of a 4 year old boy and his experience of going to heaven and back.
It is a very compelling and convincing book.
It's not that it isn't real. It does actually happen, just not in the way people think of their "soul" floating around checking shit out.

Yes, a story of a 4 year old going to a fictitious place and back is relevant in a scientific argument.
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And there are many neurosurgeons that will tell you he's full of it as well.


Ever hear of Occam's Razor?
You ever been brain dead for a week with absolutely zero measurable higher brain function?

Of course you haven't. So how are you about to sit here and say "It didn't happen" when he says it did especially considering the sheer amount of knowledge this man has compared to you?

By the way... his experience was so profound that it changed the way he sees everything... and this is the guy that TAUGHT those other neurosurgeons to think like that.
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It's not that it isn't real. It does actually happen, just not in the way people think of their "soul" floating around checking shit out.
Exactly. Every account that's been given from a truly credible witness (physicians, scientists, etc) have striking similarities and rarely mention any sort of "I'm an invisible floating security camera!" type of experience. They go to places so far beyond what we consider possible it's truly incredible.
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Perception is reality.
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Perception is reality.
Just read the book. See what a man who is far smarter and knowledgeable than yourself in the world of medical knowledge and specifically neuroscience has to say about it.
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SS you might as well quit. NO-ONE knows more about ANYTHING than these guys. Neuroscientist? Nah... they know more. I studied medicine for too many years and practice it for my living and agree that when we shut our minds to the possibility of solutions beyond our knowledge, perception we quit growing and therefore quit advancing. I am undoubtedly a Christian but believe that much of what is taught in the Church is opinion and often a biased one. However that doesn't mean it isn't founded in truth. Same as these experiences. Simply difficult to understand how anyone who has witnessed a birth can't believe there isn't something more than we comprehend, some type of miracle they have witnessed. But, to each his own.
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