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Old October 24th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #1
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Looking for info on a setup for a retail business.
Need to see faces and hands with about 8 indoor cameras.
Also, need to pull up dates and times to look for people and items.

I need to know what specs for cameras and recorders I should be looking for.
Looking to do it cheap but need to have quality.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 03:53 PM   #2
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wireless or wired don't matter
looking to keep at least a month of video
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Old October 24th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #3
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Supercircuits.com, give them a look.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 04:09 PM   #4
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homesecuritystore.com This is where I get all my alarm stuff.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #5
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i have a 4 cam system installed in my pizza shop, front door/back door/full kitchen,and over the front cash reg, also live feed back to my home office desktop and runs in the background, full playback 24/7. you wouldn't believe the shit I'v seen over the years.

best investment I ever made !
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night owl systems. Have a 8 infered camera system and wouldnt get rid of it for anything else, works great and was under $500 bucks. Can view on my phone and it also does motion activated. The way it sets it up you look at a calander on the display(your own tv or on computer) and it shows you the whole month, then when you click on a certain day, it breaks it down to the time of day and everything so you can go directly back to an event. 1tb hard drive and they claim to be able to store video on all 8 cameras for a year.

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you wouldn't believe the shit I'v seen over the years.

best investment I ever made !
Come on! you cant leave a build up like that and not deliver
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Come on! you cant leave a build up like that and not deliver
over the past 10 years of having cams in my business, nothing is more funnier than watching staff work, when you not around, there true self comes out, even when you tell them to smile- your on cam

But for some STUPID reason, they forget there being recorded
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my MIS 563 professor has a custom built, one-off system with 28. yes 28 separate camera's in and outside of his house recording to a custom built raid array as well as fed to an offsite raid array, remotely accessible including alerts to his phone.

he's so paranoid, that not only does he having it firing the backups and alerts via his normal broadband connection, but he worked out a deal with a neighbor that uses a different company to connect/share a back-up feed via their connection.

he gets an alert if someone walks in front of his liquor cabinet, the gun room, the server room(s) or where he stores the chemicals for his model rocketry hobby

it's pretty cool - and weird in a way how far he's taken it
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We've got cameras all over here at our house and they record to a DVR &, when it's set up, I can watch what goes on out there from right here. They are from X10 and are the same ones my husband used to order for vision systems for finding flaws in auto parts on production lines. They even pick up hummingbirds when they fly by.
http://www.x10.com/cameras/index.html#
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Old October 25th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #12
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over the past 10 years of having cams in my business, nothing is more funnier than watching staff work, when you not around, there true self comes out, even when you tell them to smile- your on cam

But for some STUPID reason, they forget there being recorded
I worked for my brother-in-law for a couple years while recovering from my on the job injury at GM. He's in the cable & security biz. One Saturday morning his partner called me just to let me know that he knew what I was doing.
There was one of those X10 cameras right above my desk. When they didn't see someone in the office for any length of time they'd call and ask me if I knew where they went. We had some corners where we knew the camera wouldn't see us so we'd mess with them.
It is creepy, though.
When I worked at the GM TC I was told that there were cameras watching us from all angles in the prototype buildings. Some where actually out in the open.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #13
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Sams club has a couple decent sets for under 800. I went with the Uniden completely wireless 4 camera setup, and it would be perfect for home use if it had masking capability. I am hoping they do an update to the software for it. The wired systems have it.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 08:53 AM   #14
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my MIS 563 professor has a custom built, one-off system with 28. yes 28 separate camera's in and outside of his house recording to a custom built raid array as well as fed to an offsite raid array, remotely accessible including alerts to his phone.

he's so paranoid, that not only does he having it firing the backups and alerts via his normal broadband connection, but he worked out a deal with a neighbor that uses a different company to connect/share a back-up feed via their connection.

he gets an alert if someone walks in front of his liquor cabinet, the gun room, the server room(s) or where he stores the chemicals for his model rocketry hobby

it's pretty cool - and weird in a way how far he's taken it
Solid rocket fuel is great stuff, even for things other than rocketry
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Old October 26th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #15
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Solid rocket fuel is great stuff, even for things other than rocketry
He's a pretty neat/quirky kinda guy. He even applied the example of his hobby to ip-based networking by showing us a video of one of his less normal experiments.

back in the fall 2011, in some very remote wilderness type setting he had a goal to get a friend on a mountain bike to 62 mph via 6, sequentially burned solid rocket booster.

at this point, I can't recall the exact "nominal size" - but they essentially provided something along the lines of 40lbs of boost for a ~6 second burn time.

he had ip-based cameras mounted on the bike/rider, along the route in several locations, as well as from the friend's private helicopter which was also on site so they could provide relatively quick transportation to the nearest trauma center in case of something going horribly wrong.

he had wireless, ip-based telemetry on rocket/ignition sequencing, etc.

in their experiment they did not provide any overlap of ignition/burn sequences, so there was a lag from when one rocket motor finished the burn, and the next picked up - this surge type burn coupled with 1 of the 6 motor failure to burn ended up with a terminal velocity of only 40ish mph and a reduction in visibility behind the bike on the roadway to about 1/4 mile due to the copious amounts of smoke

oh, and he's seriously into 3d printing as well - has 2 or 3 smaller models at home that he uses to craft his own rocket nacelle's, fin geometry and even prototype rocket motor designs (I'm not clear on that last part as I would have assumed the plastic from the 3d printer would melt under combustion stresses, but maybe he's doing some other form of fluid dynamic testing on the plastic rocket motor shapes? )
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Things to look for:

If your POS system has a video out feed to overlay transactions on to the video? If it does you will want to buy a reordered that has the ability to receive the information.

When setting up your cameras make sure to position them so that bright backlighting won't cause you to only silhouettes.

Most new systems out today have a remote IP function to allow remote access.

Look for a system that has a tamper alarm. Will send an alert if anything is disconnected or messed with.

A battery back up is a must.

Try to go with a system that uses cat 5 cables and a central power supply.

A remote Pan Tilt Zoom is nice to have also.

All is what you want to spend you can set up very basic systems for a few hundred and go all out and spend thousands.
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Send Clarkston Cracker a PM and ask him what his parents have in their home. I think he posted a video of it once here and it was pretty clear.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 05:06 AM   #18
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Things to look for:

If your POS system has a video out feed to overlay transactions on to the video? If it does you will want to buy a reordered that has the ability to receive the information.

When setting up your cameras make sure to position them so that bright backlighting won't cause you to only silhouettes.

Most new systems out today have a remote IP function to allow remote access.

Look for a system that has a tamper alarm. Will send an alert if anything is disconnected or messed with.

A battery back up is a must.

Try to go with a system that uses cat 5 cables and a central power supply.

A remote Pan Tilt Zoom is nice to have also.

All is what you want to spend you can set up very basic systems for a few hundred and go all out and spend thousands.
any web sites to look at? or model/makers?
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Just finished installing.
Bought a 8 camera set and DVR with internet connection.
Now I need to set up the remote viewing
Thinking on upgrading 2 with better wireless cameras for faces.
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Just finished installing.
Bought a 8 camera set and DVR with internet connection.
Now I need to set up the remote viewing
Thinking on upgrading 2 with better wireless cameras for faces.
What brand? Can you link to them?
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