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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:17 AM   #21
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There is a 3rd party.....it's called independent.

You people go ahead and keep voting for your party....I will continue to vote for specific candidates regardless of party affiliation.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #22
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Let's forget about the chances of my suggestion working for a moment.

Just imagine the look on Obama and Romney's faces when they learned that Jill Stein (green party) won the presidential election.

Or the look on Jill Stein's face (Holy crap I won! WTF am I going to do now!)
And who exactly is that?

That's the problem. No one knows who the fukc these people are.

Remember during the McCain/Obama election where radio stations were interviewing people if they supported Obama, but they tossed in McCain's policies with Obama's name and they all agreed?

The large majority of people in this country can't name the Speaker of the House, or Secretary of Defense....and these are current positions. You know expect them to figure out who all these other whacko politicaly party people are? I appreciate your idealism, but you have to look at this realistically.

I am a Constitutionalist, and was a Libertarian until I found out about how they want no borders and let all the immigrants in BS. I would love to vote for a third party candidate that reflects my views the best, but that has yet to be seen. Until then, I'm going to have to choose whichever presidential candidate with the smaller political "cock" so it hurts less when they buttfuck us all.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #23
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Under our current election laws and rules for running our government there will never be a viable 3rd party. There could at some point be a new party that replaces one of the 2 major parties, but not 3.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #24
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I agree that the and are out of control and need to be held accountable for what they do. It is a shame when they cant come to a solution to the budget that they target the elderly and members of the armed forces to freeze pay. The politicians cant do their job so stop thier pay until they figure it out. Not to sound like a nut job but i think enough people in this country are getting fed up with politicians that there will eventually be some sort of revolt, just to bad they would be conidered terrorists if anybody did anything.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #25
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Ah, there we come to the true problem behind the politicians. They are all bought. Not just the presidential candidates but all of them. Senators and congressmen. They get elected and they want to get re-elected so they have to behave the way their financial backers want. Pathetic. And they say that bribery of a public official is illegal. What a joke.

*Sigh* I shouldn't let myself get so riled up. I'm an idealist. The world is never going to live up to my expectations.
this is news to you?

however, it again over simplifies things. anyone one of us views our own agenda's as what we want to see codified into law/rights/regulations. e.g. for most of us middle class anglo saxon's we are increasingly not a majority.

you ideally want a candidate that works for "us" - I defy you to truly identify what "us" is - what a "representative" American is. the gamut of demographics is part of the problem.

some have suggested, that the Left is trying to compress those demographics and make us all the same through "redistribution" and a semi-truck full of regulations ranging from gun control, to obamacare, to mandating school lunches, to free cell phones under the guise of "fairness"

Am I sympathetic to any politician that can't figure out whom they should be representing? hell the fukc no, but I found that I'm a lot happier by not focusing on it so much that it gets me riled up and pissed off.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #26
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Care to clarify your statement? Are you suggesting that the viable 3rd party will be communist/socialist or that I am communist/socialist?
If the next sitting president cannot make measurable progress, 4 more years of high unemployment and low job growth will put this country in the same position that other countries were in when a communist/socialist/fascist regime gained power.

Currently, a 3rd party candidate does not have the political clout to effect change, so the unlikely scenario you describe of a Green Party president would only ensure that nothing changes due to a lack of cooperation from the current power structure.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #27
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Romney & Ryan 2012. if there was a 3rd party candidate that stood a chance to win the election i would of voted for the tea party. as i am a 100% conservative not republican or democrat.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #28
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Old October 24th, 2012, 06:42 PM   #29
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If Romney wins this country will go bankrupt. The man is a commie ! My friend immigrated here from Russia 25 years ago and says that Romney has all the same views as the Russia government. I know nothing about Russia and don't claim to but I have to side with my friend. He grew up in a consentration camp so I think he knows a thing or two about commies. I don't care much for Obama either but I do like Bill Clinton and he backs him. And a FYI I voted for George w. on his second term and what a mistake that was.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #30
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If Romney wins this country will go bankrupt. The man is a commie ! My friend immigrated here from Russia 25 years ago and says that Romney has all the same views as the Russia government. I know nothing about Russia and don't claim to but I have to side with my friend. He grew up in a consentration camp so I think he knows a thing or two about commies. I don't care much for Obama either but I do like Bill Clinton and he backs him. And a FYI I voted for George w. on his second term and what a mistake that was.
Your friend is fucking retarded.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #31
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Your friend is fucking retarded.
x10. Romney is very much a capitalist. BO is closer to communism with his tax the rich/distribute to the poor and socialized medical policies. Get smarter friends dude.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #32
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x10. Romney is very much a capitalist. BO is closer to communism with his tax the rich/distribute to the poor and socialized medical policies. Get smarter friends dude.
Are you the rich? I'm not I do well and so does my wife. But we are far from wealthy. I say tax the hell out of the rich. They screwed someone over to get where they are. Myself worked very hard to put my wife thru school to become a pharmisict.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #33
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Are you the rich? I'm not I do well and so does my wife. But we are far from wealthy. I say tax the hell out of the rich. They screwed someone over to get where they are. Myself worked very hard to put my wife thru school to become a pharmisict.
You do realize that Obama wants to jack up tax rates for any family making over $250,000 a year right? $250,000 household family income is definitely well off, but nowhere near what I would call rich.

My wife's income along with mine would get taxed over 10% higher under Obama's tax plan than Romney's. Fuck Obama.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #34
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Are you the rich? I'm not I do well and so does my wife. But we are far from wealthy. I say tax the hell out of the rich. They screwed someone over to get where they are. Myself worked very hard to put my wife thru school to become a pharmisict.
There was a time when people would look up to a wealthy person, they would tell there children "if you work hard, some day you can be wealthy too" now they resent them and believe they "screwed someone over to get where they are". May be you should go back to school, or start your own business and become successful so people will resent you. You are the reason this country is going down the shitter.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 08:06 PM   #35
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There was a time when people would look up to a wealthy person, they would tell there children "if you work hard, some day you can be wealthy too" now they resent them and believe they "screwed someone over to get where they are". May be you should go back to school, or start your own business and become successful so people will resent you. You are the reason this country is going down the shitter.
I did have my own business for a while I sold it for a nice profit. I worked hard to get it where it was. I like punching a clock now and have no worries when I leave work. And if you go back in time most wealthy people screwed over their employees or others to better theirselves.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #36
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You do realize that Obama wants to jack up tax rates for any family making over $250,000 a year right? $250,000 household family income is definitely well off, but nowhere near what I would call rich.

My wife's income along with mine would get taxed over 10% higher under Obama's tax plan than Romney's. Fuck Obama.
Well I will be in that boat. I get rammed hard on taxes combined my wife and I are near 300k a year. We have no kids yet she's pregnant. We own three homes two that we rent. So let me tell you about paying taxes. I figure I support about ten deadbeat "insert racial slur here" families a year!
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Well I will be in that boat. I get rammed hard on taxes combined my wife and I are near 300k a year. We have no kids yet she's pregnant. We own three homes two that we rent. So let me tell you about paying taxes. I figure I support about ten deadbeat "insert racial slur here" families a year!
With your income a vote for Obama will cost you $30,000.00 a year in additional taxes. I just can not understand your logic.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #38
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Well I will be in that boat. I get rammed hard on taxes combined my wife and I are near 300k a year. We have no kids yet she's pregnant. We own three homes two that we rent. So let me tell you about paying taxes. I figure I support about ten deadbeat "insert racial slur here" families a year!
So you want to get taxed more with Obama? I'm confused.
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Are you the rich? I'm not I do well and so does my wife. But we are far from wealthy. I say tax the hell out of the rich. They screwed someone over to get where they are. Myself worked very hard to put my wife thru school to become a pharmisict.
No, Im not rich but Im employed by rich people and they pay me well. I buy food, clothes and burgers off rich people. Trust me if the rich get taxed, they will pass that expense down to us when they cut our wages and when we buy their goods. Are you going to absorb the extra taxes on your income and properties or pass that down to your renters? Because you will be considered rich by BO. Besides the rich may pay a smaller percentage of their income than we do but they do pay most of the taxes in the US.

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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #40
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I did have my own business for a while I sold it for a nice profit. I worked hard to get it where it was. I like punching a clock now and have no worries when I leave work. And if you go back in time most wealthy people screwed over their employees or others to better theirselves.
what the fukc socialism koolaid have you been drinking? "most wealthy people screwed over their employees"

instead of paying to put your wife through pharmacy school you should have gone back to school yourself - perhaps even a business school.

for one, most "wealthy people" don't truly have very many employees, they have investments in corporations that have employees. by and large, middle management is forced to view employees as human capitol - or like a machine, assets. you pay them based on the income they can generate - or the losses they can mitigate. period.

if you're a sole proprietorship, small partnership etc., then you can perhaps manage in a "kinder gentler" fashion and take on useless family members, or the like - but then you won't be "rich". in fact you probably are considering throwing in the towel thanks to all of the "tax the rich" bullshit mentality spewing forth from the "I don't want to work, but I need a gucci phone" crowd. Owning/running a business has risk, the reward for that risk is supposed to be profit. Take away that profit, and the doors shut, and joe businessman takes his investment dollars and funnels them into a less risky alternative with a similar return- or perhaps a more riskier alternative with a higher return. they sure as fukc don't decide to go hire more people, or reduce prices on goods sold.

And newsflash - there is no "wealth tax" - there is simply an income tax. the wealthy already have all they need, so they can find legal - yes LEGAL means of finding a tax shelter, and/or off-shoring funds so they escape the jurisdiction of any new intangible/asset tax the commie-pinko's might think of trying to pass.

don't like tax shelters? guess your dumbass doesn't have a 401(k), or a mortgage?
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