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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #1
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For Immediate Release:

Michigan Motorized Recreation Council


With this session of Michigan winding down, time is of the essence on House Bills 5612-5613-5614 and 5615.

Please send Representative Frank Foster (R) District 107, Chair of Natural Resources, Tourism and Outdoor Recreation Committee an e-mail frankfoster@house.mi.gov requesting that a hearing be scheduled post haste on the above mentioned bills.

Rep. Fosterís contact information is:
S-1486 House Office Building
P.O. Box 30014
Lansing, MI 48909
(517) 373-2629
FrankFoster@house.mi.gov


Highlights of each bill is as follows:

5612: The openings of some M-roads to ORV travel to access gas, food, lodging and area tourist attractions.
5613: The waiving of DNR event feeís for those events having 75 or fewer machines entered.
5614: To enable a County Sheriff to hire an ORV officer with minimal certification.
5615: To offer greater liability protection to grant sponsors maintaining Michiganís ORV trails.



Sincerely,

Dick Ranney
Coordinator, MMRC
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #2
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Am I reading this wrong? It sounds like a good idea.
Better access, less fees, protection for investors all sound like good ideas.
I'm not s big fan of more policing, however we probably need it.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 08:02 PM   #3
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It's not that we'd have more policing, it's that we want to be able to use officers who cost the program a LOT less than a CO.
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It's not that we'd have more policing, it's that we want to be able to use officers who cost the program a LOT less than a CO.
that is the dumbest idea I have ever heard...if its one thing you don't want to skimp on, it is the training of your officers...with that being said I find it funny that you want a want-a-be out in the woods...if that passes and those morons are let loose, I'm moving to Canada
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that is the dumbest idea I have ever heard...if its one thing you don't want to skimp on, it is the training of your officers...with that being said I find it funny that you want a want-a-be out in the woods...if that passes and those morons are let loose, I'm moving to Canada

I guess we disagree. I believe County Sheriffs have plenty of training to safely police the trails while costing the ORV program less than half as much as a CO; a cost the program can not afford when it's currently broke. They already have plenty of safety and law training, they just need a little more training in the off road vehicle code. I'd much rather let the Sheriffs Department patrol the trails than have to experience less maintenance or the temporary closure of trails because there's no money in the system to keep them safe and operational.


The nice thing about our political system is that you can tell Foster that you support 12, 13, and 15 but not 14.

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I guess we disagree. I believe County Sheriffs have plenty of training to safely police the trails while costing the ORV program less than half as much as a CO; a cost the program can not afford when it's currently broke. They already have plenty of safety and law training, they just need a little more training in the off road vehicle code. I'd much rather let the Sheriffs Department patrol the trails than have to experience less maintenance or the temporary closure of trails because there's no money in the system to keep them safe and operational.


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Sheriff Deputies can and do patrol trails, they can do everything a CO can do. It costs just as much to train a Deputy as it does a CO. The program you are taking about doesn't put Deputies in the trails, it puts someone with minimal training out there that are not MCOLES certified. And there is no such thing as the off road vehicle code
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Sheriff Deputies can and do patrol trails, they can do everything a CO can do. It costs just as much to train a Deputy as it does a CO. The program you are taking about doesn't put Deputies in the trails, it puts someone with minimal training out there that are not MCOLES certified. And there is no such thing as the off road vehicle code

I'm talking about the need to use Sheriff Deputies more and COs less. They cost the system almost half as much. I'm also referencing Part 811 of PA451 of 1994, the portion I hear everyone, including the DNR, call the ORV Code.
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I'm talking about the need to use Sheriff Deputies more and COs less. They cost the system almost half as much. I'm also referencing Part 811 of PA451 of 1994, the portion I hear everyone, including the DNR, call the ORV Code.
why use Deputies more and CO's less? They cost the same to have out there, and it's the CO's job to be out there. Whoever told you CO's cost double the amount of Deputies doesn't know what they are talking about. Unless of course you are talking about part time Deputies. I have a real problem with part time LEO's patroling anything. I know city's county's like to use them because they are cheaper, but if they can't afford a full time officer, then they cannot afford an officer period.
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According to the numbers we're being shown, COs cost ~$120,000/year (with all associated costs [insurance, retirement, etc]), while a Deputy only costs us $45,000-60,000. The CO is twice to almost three times more expensive. That's a lot of dough that could be going to other parts of the program.
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According to the numbers we're being shown, COs cost ~$120,000/year (with all associated costs [insurance, retirement, etc]), while a Deputy only costs us $45,000-60,000. The CO is twice to almost three times more expensive. That's a lot of dough that could be going to other parts of the program.
Do you really think a Deputy would work for peanuts? They make just as much as a CO, sometime less, sometimes more depending, but overall the salaries are comparable. With that being said the overall cost for any LEO in the State is about equal. I'll give you the fact the high you go geographically in the State the lower the salary is, however it doesn't drop by a shit ton if you know what I mean.
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