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Old October 6th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #1
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Default Saw a 12 year old hit a 300' home run over the fence today...

"Bear" - a flushing ball player currently rostered with the motor city hit dogs hit a rope over a 300' fence in Canton this afternoon.

I'd seen him hit 'em over the 270' fences in Frankenmuth all weekend long in August.

He hits 70 mph fast balls like they're nothing, but struggles to hit a 40 mph curve.

He's also throwing 75 mph fastballs followed by a breaking ball the drops 20+" in the final 5' from the plate to the catcher's glove.

Nice kid too - expected some swagger, but consistently I haven't ever seen him display any.
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12 and throwing curves? Not good.
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Can you say Tommy John . I'll bet you two donuts he's cooked before high school ball. I been around travel ball for a while and too much too fast either causes injury or the kids gets burnt out. Hitting wise thats awsome , my 13 yr old hit a couple Homers at cal ripken this summer and they were 350 easy , one was an in the park grandslam but the turf is very fast there.
How does he like the hit dogs ....I've heard some scuttlebutt about them over the years
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last weekend I watched my 13yo daughter (soccer player) kick (2) 35yd fieldgoals after her little brothers game. all the dads were like holy shit!


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12 and throwing curves? Not good.
ask verlander how throwing curves worked for him at 12. no, I'm not really comparing a 12 year old flushing kid to verlander, but there are a lot of good pitching coaches, and sports medicine folks in year round travel ball these days that have done a pretty decent job teaching these kids proper form and to stay away from the arm wrecking sideways flick.

Bear rarely throws more than 3-4 dozen pitches a game. Last time I saw him pitch, he literally went:
fastball, fastball, curve. k
fastball, fastball, curve. k
fastball, fastball, curve. k

most of the time he's playing short stop.

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Can you say Tommy John . I'll bet you two donuts he's cooked before high school ball. I been around travel ball for a while and too much too fast either causes injury or the kids gets burnt out. Hitting wise thats awsome , my 13 yr old hit a couple Homers at cal ripken this summer and they were 350 easy , one was an in the park grandslam but the turf is very fast there.

How does he like the hit dogs ....I've heard some scuttlebutt about them over the years
I don't eat donuts, never could stand 'em.

Bear also plays quite a bit for a variety of other teams, including New Lothrop at various upper age groups. This kid is literally one of those kids that has people only half jokingly asking for birth certs. He's right around 6' tall which isn't all that remarkable these days, but he's about 175lbs of muscle. Kid has visible traps under his uniform.

as for the hit dogs, my neighbor played with them this past summer on the 15U team. people do a lot of talking is what I've learned about travel ball. This season most people are still yammering about Ellwood Bush's blow up with the Ceasar's organization - and some of the warrior's dads were pissing and moaning about the Waterford Expo's organization "being thief's"

how'd you like the cal ripken tourney? We ultimately ended up passing on cooperstown, and Jake's team ended up taking 3 subs from the b-squad.

my youngest gets dragged all over for Jake's ball games for the pat 5 years, and we weren't going to blow the family vacation on something that poor max didn't give a crap about - not to mention the expense.
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Not to take anything away from this kid's abilities, but the kid sounds like a manchild, they usually do get a lot of attention and stand out amongst normal sized/strengthed 12 year olds. The real test will be how he responds down the road when all his peers catch up in size and ability.
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Not to take anything away from this kid's abilities, but the kid sounds like a manchild, they usually do get a lot of attention and stand out amongst normal sized/strengthed 12 year olds. The real test will be how he responds down the road when all his peers catch up in size and ability.
This can be true but he draws the red flags to pay attention to and see how he grows and performs.
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Not to take anything away from this kid's abilities, but the kid sounds like a manchild, they usually do get a lot of attention and stand out amongst normal sized/strengthed 12 year olds. The real test will be how he responds down the road when all his peers catch up in size and ability.
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This can be true but he draws the red flags to pay attention to and see how he grows and performs.
no doubt. there are a lot of man-childs there this weekend however, and he's still standing out. (couple of the expos are well over 6' and not just lanky tall, but strong as well)

today, we played the little ceasar's squad - and played them well through 5 innings. (they were up 8-7 going into the 5th) before they broke the game open after a couple of defensive errors. (their catcher has a voice that might be deeper than James Earl Jones )

chatted a bit more with some folks over there that we've gotten to know, and learned that "Bear" (Again for the hit dogs) had hit a total of 4 home runs over those 300' fences yesterday, so 3 after we left the ball fields...

just looked him up on the U-Trip site, and while they don't do a ton of reporting on individual awards, he's got some NIT standings from out-of-state tournaments too.

"anything can happen" in the future, but after talking with one of the Fenton High coaches, apparently there are some Division 1 schools that are already aware of him.

to me, it would seem that type of exposure, reputation and scrutiny would be a bad thing, but literally everybody I've talked to about him states that he's just a "nice kid" and not at all cocky.

and Shakr: I mentioned 350' bombs at Cal Ripken, and some folks are wondering which ripken facility, and if he plays here in Michigan, and if so out of what organization or training facility?

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if they were 12... then you really ought to either do that more, or get out a bit more...
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Cal Ripken experience in Myrtle beach was awsome. I will explain : we have been to both Cooperstown allstar village (my son went Yard over the Green monster) and this year went to Cal Ripken SC. (he hit a homer and a Grandslam, he was the teams homerun derby partisipant ....and Got hint by a pitch from his coach .. His coach is a ...well I will say he does not play for that coach anymore.

my first impression of ripken was a whole lot of money for not much bang as compared to Cooperstown but if you are a baseball fan ripken is a must see. The fileds are modeled after famous parks of the past. All turf'ed except batters box and pitching mound . I laid on the turf at griffen park and I did not see a ripple or inperfection all the way to the fence. The Staff was excellent , The Ripken Brothers are really involved and not just a name for the park. the Director gave every parent his personal cell phne # and permission to call for any reason big or small . My son wants to move to Myrtle beach and be a permenent sub for any team.

If I was to rate Cooperstown vs. Ripken I'd say Cooperstown is great for 12yr olds who will quit the next year and hold a great experience but Ripken went way out of their way to provide as close to perfect baseball experience as possible but its just that ...baseball plain and simple , you can use the Myrtle beach ammenities for the "Other " fun ...also bring lots of money or put your credit card on a retractable tether because both are expensive
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Thanks.

For the price, we elected to just spend more money on winter training, and more tournaments.

When Jake gets older, he can tour those facilities, attempt to get on staff for same, or go to the Hall of Fame. Some of the folks on the ceasar's squad have been to all 3 (both ripken facilities as well as cooperstown) and have played in the U-Trip Championship Series. (they were also wondering if they might have known who you, or your son was)

Anyway, the more I look into baseball at their level it seems like the "elite" teams are swapping players from one season to the next.

For example, one of the Warriors/MCB's dads went so far as to characterize the relatively new Expo's organization out of Waterford as "thieves" :D and as another example, "Bear" has played for MCB's, Ceasar's, Flushing, New Lothrop and a couple of other organizations, some concurrently over the past couple of years.

A lot of kids playing with us are better with their defense than their offense - aside from a notch up on pitching those elite teams really, really can all hit the ball a mile, even the "tiny" kids.

We're a notch (or two) down honestly - mostly AA or AAA, but we gave it a pretty good effort and played right with each of the 3 teams we faced for the better part of each game. (it was 8 to 7 Little Ceasar's going deep into the 5th inning, unfortunately they blew it wide open in the bottom of the 5th so we ended up going home early yesterday)
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