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Old October 3rd, 2012, 12:47 PM   #101
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She knew it was wrong or she wouldn't have hidden the baby. It was murder.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 12:48 PM   #102
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What she did was wrong, I will never disagree with that. My point is that its wrong to expect someone to make adult choices when they can't do adult activities. Get my drift?
OK, so how come a person can't drink at age 18 but they can enlist in the military and kill in the name of their country?
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 12:53 PM   #103
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She knew it was wrong or she wouldn't have hidden the baby. It was murder.
The mind is a incredible thing. I have met people that actually believed in things that a rational person would scoff at. God, for example. She was terrified, in pain and once those things started to clear up she realized what she had done. Maybe she didn't ever go back to sound mind, maybe a mixture of terror and pain drove her insane. Happened before. Its easy to pass judgment, but until you have been a 14 yr old girl who just gave birth in the bathroom to a 10 lb baby you can't pretend to know what she went through.
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OK, so how come a person can't drink at age 18 but they can enlist in the military and kill in the name of their country?
Cause uncle Sam needs fresh young bodies to stop commie bullets in jungles overseas. How come a 17 yr old could enlisted with permission? How come the government could draft young men to fight a war their morals and politics didn't start or want?
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Its easy to pass judgment, but until you have been a 14 yr old girl who just gave birth in the bathroom to a 10 lb baby you can't pretend to know what she went through.
Then how can you argue against what everyone else is saying?

If, since we have never been in that situation, we can't say it was full on murder how can you say it wasn't?
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Then how can you argue against what everyone else is saying?

If, since we have never been in that situation, we can't say it was full on murder how can you say it wasn't?
I can say that its my opinion that it wasn't murder in the typical sense, just as in my opinion abortion isn't murder. If I was the defense attorney for this girl my job would be to persuade the jury that my opinion is the right one and back it up with facts.
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If I am in my bedroom jacking off and my 9 year old finds my pistol and shoots my 6 year old did he commit murder? I don't mean oops it went off, I mean point and blam. Just like in the video games daddy plays.
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A lot of things had to have gone wrong for this situation to happen. First, not enough sex education, if any. Second, this girl probably had a bad relationship with any parental figures in her life, and third she probably didn't have anyone to go to for options.

She should be charged with murder. At this point, without any doubt that baby is a person and killing him was murder. A 14 year old has an understanding of this. It doesn't matter if anyone disagrees morally or not. It's the law and punishment has to be carried out.
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If I am in my bedroom jacking off and my 9 year old finds my pistol and shoots my 6 year old did he commit murder? I don't mean oops it went off, I mean point and blam. Just like in the video games daddy plays.
A six year old lacks the understanding and consequences of actions.
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A six year old lacks the understanding and consequences of actions.
Wrong. Couldn't even get the age right. At 10 I killed my first deer. I knew if I pointed my 94 at a deer, pulled the trigger and hit it with a bullet it would die. I had killed many smaller animals at a much younger age.
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Still at age 9 the concept of death is not fully grasped. You know it may be gone and never come back but being applied to a human you do not know the depth of damage you have done. And if you are at 9 YO and shooting someone comparing it to a video game then there is an obvious disconnect with reality.
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Still at age 9 the concept of death is not fully grasped. You know it may be gone and never come back but being applied to a human you do not know the depth of damage you have done. And if you are at 9 YO and shooting someone comparing it to a video game then there is an obvious disconnect with reality.
Then why can't the same concept be applied to a 14 year old?
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Then why can't the same concept be applied to a 14 year old?
There is a big leap in maturity and understanding between 9 and 14. However, I cannot say where the line actually is. Had you said an age around 11, or 12 and dropped the video game argument I think the line is a lot muddier. This is where experts would have to chime in about the development of the human brain.
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Another thing, the 14 year old hid everything. Hid the pregnancy, hid the killing, and hid the body. Right there show an understanding of her actions.
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Another thing, the 14 year old hid everything. Hid the pregnancy, hid the killing, and hid the body. Right there show an understanding of her actions.
I agree with you to a point. Her taking that much care to hide everything is sure going to screw her in court. Maybe its just my compassionate nature but I feel bad for that poor child, both of them actually. The rest of you bloodthirsty animals make me sick.
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There is a big leap in maturity and understanding between 9 and 14. However, I cannot say where the line actually is. Had you said an age around 11, or 12 and dropped the video game argument I think the line is a lot muddier. This is where experts would have to chime in about the development of the human brain.
The rhetorical case I presented with the 9 year old and the 6 year old was intended to help argue my feeling that the parents of Cassidy should be held accountable as well.
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The rhetorical case I presented with the 9 year old and the 6 year old was intended to help argue my feeling that the parents of Cassidy should be held accountable as well.
I agree with that also but do not know the cut off point of when parents are responsible. IMO more responsibility needs to be put on the parents as well.

At what point is the cut off? Is it 18? If your almost 18 year old is texting and driving and causes an accident and kills someone, are the parents responsible? Where is the cut off?
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she had 9 months to figure out what to do. I cant believe she went completely unnoticed by any compitant aduld. I agree that the guardians have some responsability here too, teachers, friends who may tell their parents etc. I cant belive she made that horrid decision by herself. I have met very hardened teenagers but still dont believe they could strangle their own baby, even street people would find a way to care for the baby.
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she had 9 months to figure out what to do. I cant believe she went completely unnoticed by any compitant aduld. I agree that the guardians have some responsability here too, teachers, friends who may tell their parents etc. I cant belive she made that horrid decision by herself. I have met very hardened teenagers but still dont believe they could strangle their own baby, even street people would find a way to care for the baby.
FWIW, when I was in 7th grade, my 'girlfriend' who had been my g/f for a couple months was in 9th. She didn't come to school for a few days, so I asked her brother what was up. He said she had a baby. He, nor his parents, nor I knew she was preggo. Some people show more than others, and baggy clothes can cover lots.
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FWIW, when I was in 7th grade, my 'girlfriend' who had been my g/f for a couple months was in 9th. She didn't come to school for a few days, so I asked her brother what was up. He said she had a baby. He, nor his parents, nor I knew she was preggo. Some people show more than others, and baggy clothes can cover lots.
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