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Old September 22nd, 2012, 09:24 PM   #21
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Doesn't matter who gets in, they will have their hands tied by the other party.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 09:51 PM   #22
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perhaps mitt worded it poorly too??

if obama/biden says something stupid its a mistake.
if mitt says something stupid hes a racist?
yet biden said mitt wanted to "put you back in chains" to an all black audience?
you can hate mitt/, but you really think he wants slavery back?
you think mitt said something really bad, but bidens dozens of retarded quotes are perfectly ok???

mitt was correct in saying there is a big portion of the us that will never vote for him under any circumstances.
is it 47%, i think that estimate is a little high.
probably more like 35% ish.

most union workers will not vote for him.
most people on welfare, unemployment, or food stamps will not vote for him.
most liberals//socialists will not vote for him.
most african americans will not vote for him.
most immigrants wont wont for him.
most people that pay no taxes wont vote for him.
most pro-choice people will not vote for him.

thats a very large voting block, im doubting 47% though.

like his statement or not, its pretty much true.

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one thing i dont understand is if i was out of work all year, and payed no taxes, how do i get a fairly large tax return check?
Never have I said anything implying the I thought Romney was a racist.

Yes, I thought Romney's "47%" comment was poorly worded. Obviously, there are people that will never vote for him, or any Republican, just as there people that will never vote for a Democrat. But to say that you think that the 47% that you don't think will vote for you are worthless slugs while trying to get people to vote for you is stupid, even if it is true.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:43 AM   #23
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Plus, it's probably a bad idea for Mitt to alienate those who don't pay income tax. Hmm, old people and poor people. I'm pretty sure that there are tons of people who vote against there economic interest in favor of social issues. I'm not saying its smart to vote against your economic interest because of your stance on abortion or gay marriage, but a lot of people do, just read or watch What's the Matter with Kansas?
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:41 PM   #24
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The 47% statement was in poor taste....but surprisingly accurate...to my shock. Guess the middle class ARE paying for everyone else.

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Old September 23rd, 2012, 11:21 PM   #25
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I find it funny that the main argument with the "you didnt build that" is coming from small businesses. Small businesses will be much better off under Obama than Romney. Neither of them are what me need which is really sad four our country.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #26
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I find it funny that the main argument with the "you didnt build that" is coming from small businesses. Small businesses will be much better off under Obama than Romney. Neither of them are what me need which is really sad four our country.
Please define small businesses.
Please explain why you feel they will be better under Obama.
Please explain why any of this debacle is funny.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #27
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Jim, have you ever seen something so fucked up that if you don't laugh you will cry? That's how our current debacle is. I don't love Romney, but God damn I hate Obama.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:32 AM   #28
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Please define small businesses.
Please explain why you feel they will be better under Obama.
Please explain why any of this debacle is funny.
1. Any mom and pop shop, or under lets say 40 employees?
2. Because I honestly believe that a trickle down economy is not what our country needs, pick up any history book and see how bad things were in the late 19th century when big business ran America.
3. I think it is funny because I believe Romney is an idiot and so are a lot of his followers.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #29
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1. Any mom and pop shop, or under lets say 40 employees?
2. Because I honestly believe that a trickle down economy is not what our country needs, pick up any history book and see how bad things were in the late 19th century when big business ran America.
3. I think it is funny because I believe Romney is an idiot and so are a lot of his followers.
1. The difference between today and the late 19th century's businesses is the amount of regulations that are in place. The government has overstepped its bounds and now small businesses are struggling because of it. My dad had a small businesses of his own for most of my life. He gave it up and went to work for a company because he was sick of being over taxed and over ruled by people who haven't worked a day in their lives.
2. Romney made 60~ Million last year, sounds like a smarter Guy than a nigga who borrowed 9 trillion.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:45 AM   #30
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1. Any mom and pop shop, or under lets say 40 employees?
2. Because I honestly believe that a trickle down economy is not what our country needs, pick up any history book and see how bad things were in the late 19th century when big business ran America.
3. I think it is funny because I believe Romney is an idiot and so are a lot of his followers.
Reagan used the term trickle down economics and it worked very well under his plan. The low to middle income class of prospered under Reagan.
Observe the policies and tactics of Obama from what he has been doing the last 4 years. Mostly concerned about himself and the economy shows it. Record high spending and unemployment above 8%.
Romney on the other hand, he has proved himself to be a succesful person, in family and business. If that is an idiot, then we need him in office because the guy thats in there now does not care about what he is doing to this country.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:49 AM   #31
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1. The difference between today and the late 19th century's businesses is the amount of regulations that are in place. The government has overstepped its bounds and now small businesses are struggling because of it. My dad had a small businesses of his own for most of my life. He gave it up and went to work for a company because he was sick of being over taxed and over ruled by people who haven't worked a day in their lives.
2. Romney made 60~ Million last year, sounds like a smarter Guy than a nigga who borrowed 9 trillion.
That was the problem then! Big business needed regulation.
IIRC taxes will go up for small business and a lot of the middle class under Romney to fund his corporate tax cuts.
I do not think that big corporations like oil should be making 80 billion (or however many billion) dollars a year in profit while we are still paying close to $4 a gallon!!!
Romney is a smart business man, I do not think he is a smart president. He has lost my vote for this election (before I get internet mobbed over this, I am not voting for Obama either.)
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:53 AM   #32
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That was the problem then! Big business needed regulation.
IIRC taxes will go up for small business and a lot of the middle class under Romney to fund his corporate tax cuts.
I do not think that big corporations like oil should be making 80 billion (or however many billion) dollars a year in profit while we are still paying close to $4 a gallon!!!
Romney is a smart business man, I do not think he is a smart president. He has lost my vote for this election (before I get internet mobbed over this, I am not voting for Obama either.)
So Obama running this country like a soup kitchen is better than Romney running it like a business? I can tell your a college student. Oil is a corporation, lol. How about the little oil guys like my dad and uncle? They work their asses off and make good money but they have HUGE expenses relative to their company size. A Guy who owns a retail store and has 40 employees pays a fraction of the money a drilling company does. Go one day without using something that wasn't made with oil. Our economy runs on the oil standard, we can't live without it.

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Reagan used the term trickle down economics and it worked very well under his plan. The low to middle income class of prospered under Reagan.
Observe the policies and tactics of Obama from what he has been doing the last 4 years. Mostly concerned about himself and the economy shows it. Record high spending and unemployment above 8%.
Romney on the other hand, he has proved himself to be a succesful person, in family and business. If that is an idiot, then we need him in office because the guy thats in there now does not care about what he is doing to this country.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ial/?mobile=nc

Not saying Reagan wasnt a good president but there are also a lot of other things people seem not to remember.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:57 AM   #34
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So Obama running this country like a soup kitchen is better than Romney running it like a business? I can tell your a college student. Oil is a corporation, lol. How about the little oil guys like my dad and uncle? They work their asses off and make good money but they have HUGE expenses relative to their company size. A Guy who owns a retail store and has 40 employees pays a fraction of the money a drilling company does.
I never said I liked Obama better.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:58 AM   #35
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That was the problem then! Big business needed regulation.
IIRC taxes will go up for small business and a lot of the middle class under Romney to fund his corporate tax cuts.
I do not think that big corporations like oil should be making 80 billion (or however many billion) dollars a year in profit while we are still paying close to $4 a gallon!!!
Romney is a smart business man, I do not think he is a smart president. He has lost my vote for this election (before I get internet mobbed over this, I am not voting for Obama either.)
Actually any vote besides Romney is a vote for Obama.
Obama will tax everybody. The largest tax hike in history is coming in January. Obamacare is a tax and that will hit the middle class and everybody who does not carry health insurance.
Don't be fooled by his lies. His motives are not to help you and me or the regular working class people.
The best way to see who a person really is, is to look at the circle of his friends.
Who do we see Obama chumming with the most?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:01 AM   #36
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I never said I liked Obama better.
Unfortunately Jr we live in a world where you get the option between a turd sandwich and a douchebag. I don't care for douches but they have a purpose. Turd sandwiches just leave a bad taste in your mouth.
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Actually any vote besides Romney is a vote for Obama.
Obama will tax everybody. The largest tax hike in history is coming in January. Obamacare is a tax and that will hit the middle class and everybody who does not carry health insurance.
Don't be fooled by his lies. His motives are not to help you and me or the regular working class people.
The best way to see who a person really is, is to look at the circle of his friends.
Who do we see Obama chumming with the most?
I believe that my vote counts even if you think it will be wasted or that it is for Obama. I do not think Romney is the right man to run this country so I will not vote for him.

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Unfortunately Jr we live in a world where you get the option between a turd sandwich and a douchebag. I don't care for douches but they have a purpose. Turd sandwiches just leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Haha I like the way you think sometimes.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:16 AM   #38
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That was the problem then! Big business needed regulation.
IIRC taxes will go up for small business and a lot of the middle class under Romney to fund his corporate tax cuts.
I do not think that big corporations like oil should be making 80 billion (or however many billion) dollars a year in profit while we are still paying close to $4 a gallon!!!
Romney is a smart business man, I do not think he is a smart president. He has lost my vote for this election (before I get internet mobbed over this, I am not voting for Obama either.)
Really? That is not the number be looking at. What is their EBITA? What percentage is that? Let me put it in simple numbers. If you sold $1million and profited $250,000 (25%) you did great. If you sold $100million and profited $250,000 (.25%) you did terrible. So, you have to look at their total sales before you can ever determine if their profits are out of line.

Next, take a look at how much money is made AFTER a gallon of gas is sold. It's not the oil companies that are driving the price up as much as the speculators.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:20 AM   #39
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Next, take a look at how much money is made AFTER a gallon of gas is sold. It's not the oil companies that are driving the price up as much as the speculators.
Not to mention the tax added to every gallon of gas.
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Really? That is not the number be looking at. What is their EBITA? What percentage is that? Let me put it in simple numbers. If you sold $1million and profited $250,000 (25%) you did great. If you sold $100million and profited $250,000 (.25%) you did terrible. So, you have to look at their total sales before you can ever determine if their profits are out of line.

Next, take a look at how much money is made AFTER a gallon of gas is sold. It's not the oil companies that are driving the price up as much as the speculators.
Gas is 3.50 a gallon here in Gillette. Why is that Jim?
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