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Old September 22nd, 2012, 09:59 PM   #101
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i believe in God.
i dont have to go to church to pray to him.
i have never sat down and read the "whole" bible, though i have studied much of it.
i went to a catholic school, and studied many different religions.
im not baptized into any religion.

the day my father died, i feel my life was "touched by god".
a very special and personal thing happened to me.
the small miracle that happened in my life meant alot to my father and i.
that last day we bonded in a special way, i believe god made that happen!

while it was a sad day, it convinced me there is a God.

that day i was truly blessed!
when i have a day i dont feel blessed, i look back at that one and smile!

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Old September 22nd, 2012, 10:03 PM   #102
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Idk but I am gonna find out.
LOL good luck with that.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:02 AM   #103
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i believe in God.
i dont have to go to church to pray to him.
i have never sat down and read the "whole" bible, though i have studied much of it.
i went to a catholic school, and studied many different religions.
im not baptized into any religion.

the day my father died, i feel my life was "touched by god".
a very special and personal thing happened to me.
the small miracle that happened in my life meant alot to my father and i.
that last day we bonded in a special way, i believe god made that happen!

while it was a sad day, it convinced me there is a God.

that day i was truly blessed!
when i have a day i dont feel blessed, i look back at that one and smile!

That is really good Joe
To know that you were touched by God is an amazing thing. It gives you a sence, hey He really does know me and care for me.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:45 AM   #104
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That is really good Joe
To know that you were touched by God is an amazing thing. It gives you a sence, hey He really does know me and care for me.
careful, he might be talking about some generic god, not the jesus one!
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:55 AM   #105
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my paycheck to the church. My preacher neighbor lives one Hell of a "meager existance."
sounds to me that for his life, his 'meager existence' is sufficient to supply him with his needs? remember also, that the poorest of Americans is still far wealthier than the wealthy of the sub-sahara, or ghetto of India. It's all relative. In as much as I would love to be 'retired' and love to have the endless debit card, and exotic cars - I am quite confident that I would be no happier in sum total existence.

as everyone has pointed out in this thread in one way or another - when we die, the things of this world are meaningless.

a startling number of American's have a pittance for planning/saving for the future. even less actually tithe anywhere near the 10% that organized religion calls for. if complaining about giving to a work is the main gripe for not believing, then more soul searching may be in order?

Not preaching at all - just pointing out that plenty of believers and 'fringe' have turned their backs on corporate religion, mega churches and those churches that put greater weight on their policies, procedures, pomp, and rituals vs. actual study.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 12:06 PM   #106
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careful, he might be talking about some generic god, not the jesus one!
I don't believe there is any other God that can offer blessings or miracles.
Buhdda, its all about self help and how to make yourself feel better.
Islam, well I have never heard a muslim take about allah blessing them let alone provide miracles.
I am quite confident he is talking about the One and only.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 09:53 PM   #107
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There have been many studies of the translation of scripture demonstrating very consistent translations into english. The content of the bible has not been ammended every few hundred years as you say. I'll find a review book that covers this topic for you if you'd like to research further. Perhaps what you are discussing are some of the ritualistic differences between denominations, or the lack of adherence to scripture by man? This is why I choose my church based on their adherence to scripture. I have flipped from church to church and know first hand that there are deviations from scripture, which has made it difficult at times to find a body of christ to worship with.

Be sure though, Christianity teaches to love everyone. Fellow christians as well as non-believers.
But what about homosexuals? It does say that homosexuals really should be killed so I don't see much love in that.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:11 PM   #108
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But what about homosexuals? It does say that homosexuals really should be killed so I don't see much love in that.
It does not say that homosexuals should be killed. Please provide scriptural reference (just copy and paste if you would, I don't need paraphrasing). Homosexuality is a sin, and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their sinful ways including, but not limited to, homosexuality. Is this what you are referring to? God also destroyed wicked people with a flood, but that does not mean we should drown wicked people.

Nowhere in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, though, does it say that we as man should kill other men. Including homosexuals. Their sin may be judged by God; but our role is only to love our brothers and neighbors.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:19 AM   #109
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Love the sinner, hate the sin.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 07:32 AM   #110
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Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Didn't Jesus say not to hate?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:44 AM   #111
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John 3:16-18
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.


Luke 6:34
And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full.

Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:50 AM   #112
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What if your neighbors a child molesting dope head?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:55 AM   #113
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What if your neighbors a child molesting dope head?
introduce him to sheep?
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Old September 24th, 2012, 08:58 AM   #114
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introduce him to 45 caliber hollowpoints.
Fixed. Some people don't deserve love. IMO, some sins are unforgivable.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 06:45 PM   #115
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It does not say that homosexuals should be killed. Please provide scriptural reference (just copy and paste if you would, I don't need paraphrasing). Homosexuality is a sin, and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their sinful ways including, but not limited to, homosexuality. Is this what you are referring to? God also destroyed wicked people with a flood, but that does not mean we should drown wicked people.

Nowhere in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, though, does it say that we as man should kill other men. Including homosexuals. Their sin may be judged by God; but our role is only to love our brothers and neighbors.
But in the Old Testiment it does. Jesus responded when questioned about if the OT law hold true and he said "Every jot and tittle."

Here's some more Bible love for you to think about:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

Now you said I could not find anything if the Bible about killing homosexuals. Here's a nice bit right here that you can verify in your very own Bible:

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)


So there's your proof. Now let the men discuss various belief systems here and you go cherry pick the parts of the Bible you wish to follow.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #116
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Where is the Christian response to actual Bible verses I posted?

*sound of crickets*
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Old September 26th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #117
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Where is the Christian response to actual Bible verses I posted?

*sound of crickets*
Well, you didn't post actual bible verses. Exodus 22:20 for example does not say, in any translation that I could find, what you posted above.

The verse says " "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed."

Which you will tell me is the same thing, but I can assure you if you read the entire verse, it is not.
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OMG. Did Luke just enter into a religious debate?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 04:11 AM   #119
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Well, you didn't post actual bible verses. Exodus 22:20 for example does not say, in any translation that I could find, what you posted above.

The verse says " "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed."

Which you will tell me is the same thing, but I can assure you if you read the entire verse, it is not.
And the definition of is, is?
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Well, you didn't post actual bible verses. Exodus 22:20 for example does not say, in any translation that I could find, what you posted above.

The verse says " "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed."

Which you will tell me is the same thing, but I can assure you if you read the entire verse, it is not.
I was refering to the actual verse as denoted by book and location. The other stuff is a brief synopsis.

So you do you destroy someone without killing them?
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