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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:33 PM   #81
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There have been many studies of the translation of scripture demonstrating very consistent translations into english. The content of the bible has not been ammended every few hundred years as you say. I'll find a review book that covers this topic for you if you'd like to research further. Perhaps what you are discussing are some of the ritualistic differences between denominations, or the lack of adherence to scripture by man? This is why I choose my church based on their adherence to scripture. I have flipped from church to church and know first hand that there are deviations from scripture, which has made it difficult at times to find a body of christ to worship with.

Be sure though, Christianity teaches to love everyone. Fellow christians as well as non-believers.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 01:36 PM   #82
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Hell 150 years ago the white man owned the world. His excuse, manifest destiny. We were allowed to do almost anything in the name of our lord. Read heart of darkness.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:33 PM   #83
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Hell 150 years ago the white man owned the world. His excuse, manifest destiny. We were allowed to do almost anything in the name of our lord. Read heart of darkness.






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Be sure though, Christianity teaches to love everyone. Fellow christians as well as non-believers.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:56 PM   #84
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There have been many studies of the translation of scripture demonstrating very consistent translations into english. The content of the bible has not been ammended every few hundred years as you say. I'll find a review book that covers this topic for you if you'd like to research further. Perhaps what you are discussing are some of the ritualistic differences between denominations, or the lack of adherence to scripture by man? This is why I choose my church based on their adherence to scripture. I have flipped from church to church and know first hand that there are deviations from scripture, which has made it difficult at times to find a body of christ to worship with.

Be sure though, Christianity teaches to love everyone. Fellow christians as well as non-believers.
Not truly ammended but how it is interpreted as far as good and bad is different.

I have no problem with religious people. Judgemental hypocrites on the other hand drive me nuts. The problem is all too often, both are one in the same.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:57 PM   #85
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First let me this for my own consideration:

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Having faith is trusting this larger story of your life. Yours is a spiritual journey of epic proportions that heals suffering. And you donít need to have all the answers anymore. Life unfolds in its own mystery and the universe provides the answers you need when you need them.
What this says to me is that I should accept that I am the sum total of my lived experiences, and that I should trust the wisdom gained from those experiences and the decisions I make based on them.

But likewise, I have to accept that everyone else does the same. So regardless if you are a overweight pot smoking welder that thinks he's awesome, or a bible thumper that can't see a possibility that he is wrong, I have to trust that both have made the best decision on how to live their lives based on their life story so far.

Also, as I have different experiences from everyone else, I can not judge others. It would be hypocritical for me to judge someone else to be a hypocrite. So regardless of if its that "weird chubby kid that is wearing skin tight jeans and a pink Mohawk that you see in the mall", or that Christian that doesn't seem to me to be following what I think the bible says, I have to accept that both are doing what they believe to be right from them. Who am I to judge.

Another of my guiding principle is to cause no suffering, and to help reduce suffering when I can. But then I have to realize that Aber probably feels the same way. He preaches because he genuinely believe that anyone that does not believe as he does will suffer eternal damnation, the ultimate suffering.
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What this says to me is that I should accept that I am the sum total of my lived experiences, and that I should trust the wisdom gained from those experiences and the decisions I make based on them.

But likewise, I have to accept that everyone else does the same. So regardless if you are a overweight pot smoking welder that thinks he's awesome, or a bible thumper that can't see a possibility that he is wrong, I have to trust that both have made the best decision on how to live their lives based on their life story so far.

Also, as I have different experiences from everyone else, I can not judge others. It would be hypocritical for me to judge someone else to be a hypocrite. So regardless of if its that "weird chubby kid that is wearing skin tight jeans and a pink Mohawk that you see in the mall", or that Christian that doesn't seem to me to be following what I think the bible says, I have to accept that both are doing what they believe to be right from them. Who am I to judge.

Another of my guiding principle is to cause no suffering, and to help reduce suffering when I can. But then I have to realize that Aber probably feels the same way. He preaches because he genuinely believe that anyone that does not believe as he does will suffer eternal damnation, the ultimate suffering.
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Do you feel at all hypocritical for not really following the bible? For generations Christians have been slowly twisting and turning the bible to suit them. What makes you think that that following the now-a-days version of Christianity is going to get you into your sweet life in the sky? The religion has been changed by MEN not by god. As far as I know god has not swooped down and ammended the bible every couple hundred years to allow humans to be more greedy and commit more sins. You all are just guessing that he will be cool with the changes when you reach the pearly gates.
Ok I 'll try this and I will try not to "Preach".
Why is it you think that Christians today are not following the bible?
Did you know the the new testament has been studied by scholars who spent thier life time studying the history of the writings of the new testament and have concluded,
"The New Testament, then, has not only survived in more manuscripts than any other book from antiquity, but it has survived in a purer form than any other great book-a form that is 99.5 percent pure".
Actually it is not the book, but believing in Jesus Christ is what gets you to, "sweet life in the sky".
As Christians, myself included are not changing the bible. we try to follow His word, believe that Jesus is who He said He is and ask for forgiveness when we mess up and try not to do it again.
We can count on His grace and mercy to foregive us because His word says so.
Ok so I may have preached a little.
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You see Steveo and Chadcooper; the scripture is clear that we should love each other. There is nothing in the gospel that advocates the actions that some men do under the guise of religion. The actions of the cruisades, the actions of Hitler, the actions of the KKK - those were not Christian actions. They were the actions of corrupt men that said they were christians. Read the Gospel. Find your answers in scripture, not in the preachings of man. Then you will know peace. It is important to worship with other men when possible, but as I've said, it can be challenging to find a church that adheres to scripture.
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What you guys are having a hard time grasping is that I am not dogging the religion of Christianity. I am dogging a large portion of people that call themselves Christians.
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What you guys are having a hard time grasping is that I am not dogging the religion of Christianity. I am dogging a large portion of people that call themselves Christians.
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You put ghost Peppers in your Chili.

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and to help reduce suffering when I can. .
You did provide milk!
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What you guys are having a hard time grasping is that I am not dogging the religion of Christianity. I am dogging a large portion of people that call themselves Christians.
I assure you that being a hypocrite is not unique to Christianity. There is hypocrisy in every religion, and in fact every aspect of society. Even 4 wheeling groups.

I don't see it as my right nor responsibility to call out hypocrisy when I see it. My only duty is to try my best not to be a hypocrite myself.
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You put ghost Peppers in your Chili.



You did provide milk!
I only made it, I didn't force the eating.

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to come back from Illinois to do that.
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What you guys are having a hard time grasping is that I am not dogging the religion of Christianity. I am dogging a large portion of people that call themselves Christians.
I read an article that said 81% of Americans call themselves Christains and when it came right down to what is written in the bible to Jesus dieing on the cross and rising from the dead three days later, only 9% of Americans fit into this category.
Religion is the man made stuff but what Jesus wants is a relationship. There is a difference. It's living it out 7 days a week not just one day week or twice a year.
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I assure you that being a hypocrite is not unique to Christianity. There is hypocrisy in every religion, and in fact every aspect of society. Even 4 wheeling groups.

I don't see it as my right nor responsibility to call out hypocrisy when I see it. My only duty is to try my best not to be a hypocrite myself.
I realize that. Religious hypocrites are just generally more uppity and judgmental than the average hypocrite. I am not religious. I do not believe in god. I believe that when the kindest most caring people in the world die they turn into the same worm food as Osama bin laden and Adolf Hitler. Your soul doesnt continue on, it just ceases to exist. With that said I feel as though I am a good person that is very willing to help out anybody that needs it. I don't steal and I work hard for what I have. I don't need a religion to be a good person. More power to you if you want to believe but I don't. I have been to church plenty of times and the whole time I am there I am thinking at any point in time they are going to ask me to "drink the koolaid and ride the asteroid to the heavens." Churches are a business and strongly suggest that the people that go there give a large portion of their paychecks to them. If I did believe in god I would rather worship in the woods or on a river than give 15% of my paycheck to the church. My preacher neighbor lives one Hell of a "meager existance."

With all that bs said I don't hate Christianity or christains as a whole But I don't like what the religion has became.
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You see Steveo and Chadcooper; the scripture is clear that we should love each other. There is nothing in the gospel that advocates the actions that some men do under the guise of religion. The actions of the cruisades, the actions of Hitler, the actions of the KKK - those were not Christian actions. They were the actions of corrupt men that said they were christians. Read the Gospel. Find your answers in scripture, not in the preachings of man. Then you will know peace. It is important to worship with other men when possible, but as I've said, it can be challenging to find a church that adheres to scripture.
I give my love sparingly since we are only born with so much.
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I give my love sparingly since we are only born with so much.
What about hatred? Are you only born with so much of that also, or is it unlimited?
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I only made it, I didn't force the eating.

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to come back from Illinois to do that.
If you don't do that I will cry
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What about hatred? Are you only born with so much of that also, or is it unlimited?
Idk but I am gonna find out.
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Read 'God No!' by Penn Jillette.

He is an atheist that has respect for 'preachy' Christians because 'they honestly believe in Hell, and as a Christian feel they must do whatever they can to save you from that fate'.

Interesting take on religion.

When it comes right down to it, you get one life. Live it in such a way that you enjoy it more.
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