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Old September 21st, 2012, 07:39 PM   #61
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The other religions are false according to the one and only God, the one that created it all. There is no other book that we can learn from that was written over 2000 years ago and still applies today.
If a person does not have God in their life it is very difficult to explain how God works when He touches your life in a very real way. It is unexplainable to people who do not understand. All I can say is you need to ask Jesus to show you who He is and how He works.
Yep, like I said, you are not capable of conceiving that you could be wrong, so this is not a subject we can discuss.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 07:47 PM   #62
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Old September 21st, 2012, 07:57 PM   #63
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So says your version of the book, but what if Vol III came out and said something different, but because you don't subscribe to it, you didn't get message?

I mean, he wrote the "old" and "new" testament. Who says he doesn't decide we need another book to figure it out?
I don't think we will see a vol III.
Actually about 40 different people wrote the bible, both old testiment and new testiment in a span of over 1600 years.
What really gets me is everything ties together dispite the differnet languages, culture and time. These authors were secondary as God being the primary author of the books. That is why it is an ageless treasure, useful then and still to this very day.
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I don't think we will see a vol III.
Actually about 40 different people wrote the bible, both old testiment and new testiment in a span of over 1600 years.
What really gets me is everything ties together dispite the differnet languages, culture and time. These authors were secondary as God being the primary author of the books. That is why it is an ageless treasure, useful then and still to this very day.
Many good fictonal books out there that are ageless treasures, most people are smart enough to not take them as fact.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 08:04 PM   #65
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I can see where people have a huge problem with that. It can be and is very frustrating, i'm sure.
Maybe it is time to take a step back from the Catholic Church and look at different options.
Communion is important but if they do not allow you to take it there, what is stopping you and your family from taking communion at home? Jesus would still see it as being obedient, just not under the roof of a building. See the church is your body not the building. Once you accept Christ He resides in you, (you know this I am saying it for the ones that don't)
You are correct in saying that you do not need them to tell you when to sit, sing, knee etc. It is in your heart where it counts. Only God knows truly what is in a man's heart.
There you go again not comprehending what someone wrote. I used the issue with the Catholic church as an example of my opinion that each church is narrow minded in thinking that their way is the only way. I'm not in this discussion for someone to tell me what to do or how to make my life different. I simply responded to the question of what I believe. You have drifted from the discussion to now preaching.
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I believe that the scientific method is the best way for us to figure out how stuff works.

My dad's family is Catholic and my Mom's family is N/A. My parents didn't take me to church until they caved to peer pressure from my Grandma. So at 8, I was baptized into the Catholic church. I went to Sunday school and the whole deal for a few years and then we kind of stopped going. My dad works 6 days a week at our family Hardware store, so church @ 11am kind of cuts out half of your only day off. I was totally cool about not going to church, but as a senior in high school I did the confirmation thing because I thought it was the right thing to do. Fast forward to college, I started thinking about things, about the world religions and reading arguments against religion. I started realizing that it was all a crock. I couldn't get over the fact that there are literally hundreds of different religions and every believer in them thinks that they are right. So now I'm left with the physical world around me and I couldn't be better. I try to live my life to the fullest because as far as I know, it's the only one I get and I haven't seen evidence to show that I get another one.
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I simply responded to the question of what I believe.
And I thank you, and everyone else who replied as such. It has given me a lot to think about.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised how many good replies there were and how long it made it before the preaching and insults started.
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And I thank you, and everyone else who replied as such. It has given me a lot to think about.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised how many good replies there were and how long it made it before the preaching and insults started.
I only insulted aber61 and he needs it. Its been a long time since we had a decent discussion on this topic.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 08:42 PM   #69
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I was asked earlier about abortion. I personally wouldn't have an abortion but it's not my place to judge someone who does. If what christians believe is true and there's a judgement day then the people they deem "evil" like gays and women who had abortion will get judged. It's not my place since I am also not perfect.
One thing I can say for sure is that I have put my pets down and I was with my grandma when she died also. The process was exactly the same as I saw and felt it. So either both had souls or neither had souls is my opinion. There was a light in their eyes and when they died it was gone before their bodies went cold.
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Here's where I struggle with this. Every church seems to think that they are the only ones who are interpreting God's word correctly. For example, I believe in God, Jesus, communion, heaven, hell, etc. However, when I go to the Catholic church, they don't allow me to take communion because I was not baptized in their church. WTF? Why? Because my baptism didn't include the specifics of theirs? Well, I go anyway. To me, it doesn't matter when you kneel, bow, sing, say "praise God", etc. In my heart, it's all the same.
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There you go again not comprehending what someone wrote. I used the issue with the Catholic church as an example of my opinion that each church is narrow minded in thinking that their way is the only way. I'm not in this discussion for someone to tell me what to do or how to make my life different. I simply responded to the question of what I believe. You have drifted from the discussion to now preaching.
So let me get this right, your first quote was only and example not really you or how you feel, only an example.
then you should have said no need to reply, I'm only venting
I read that as you looking for a reply
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Mohammad thought we did.
Excactly. I'm not buying or selling on it's legitimacy; but there millions that would say that Christians are the ones that don't have it right. The majority don't even want to kill us, and are willing to have a conversation like this.

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I was asked earlier about abortion. I personally wouldn't have an abortion but it's not my place to judge someone who does. If what christians believe is true and there's a judgement day then the people they deem "evil" like gays and women who had abortion will get judged. It's not my place since I am also not perfect.
One thing I can say for sure is that I have put my pets down and I was with my grandma when she died also. The process was exactly the same as I saw and felt it. So either both had souls or neither had souls is my opinion. There was a light in their eyes and when they died it was gone before their bodies went cold.
A living body contains energy a dead one doesnt. I have felt it die out many times. I don't believe its a spirit that leaves your body upon death and goes elsewhere. IMO if I have a soul my animals sure as hell do as well. I have spent much of my life training dogs and horses, I can look in their eyes and see what they are thinking, better than I can with most humans.
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aber61 bores me with his inability to discuss, but only to preach.
A simpleton cannot ask why and be able to sleep at night. Deep thought hurt brain feel bad. Blind faith is for fools.
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So let me get this right, your first quote was only and example not really you or how you feel, only an example.
then you should have said no need to reply, I'm only venting
I read that as you looking for a reply
I'm coming to believe you can't comprehend simple thoughts and statements. You pick and choose what you respond to, and with that, as I've said before, you do Christianity a disfavor in your efforts to promote it. I don't need your help with it, I'm already there. I was responding to Bruce's question and the discussion of what we believe. I shared my thoughts on it. I was not venting, nor was I looking for guidance from you or anyone else.

I struggle with lots of things in life. Eating habits, getting enough sleep, making sure I do my job well, getting the lawn mowed weekly are all struggles. However, it's not something I need anyone's guidance on. If I think I do, I'll ask.
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I'm coming to believe you can't comprehend simple thoughts and statements. You pick and choose what you respond to, and with that, as I've said before, you do Christianity a disfavor in your efforts to promote it. I don't need your help with it, I'm already there. I was responding to Bruce's question and the discussion of what we believe. I shared my thoughts on it. I was not venting, nor was I looking for guidance from you or anyone else.

I struggle with lots of things in life. Eating habits, getting enough sleep, making sure I do my job well, getting the lawn mowed weekly are all struggles. However, it's not something I need anyone's guidance on. If I think I do, I'll ask.
There is life and death in the tongue and you weld yours very well, thanks for the uplifting moment. I'll try to not let it ruin the rest of my day
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Lol WR made aberjesus cry.
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Who say's your set of defined morals is the right one? Wouldn't it suck if you got to the pearly gates, and got sent back to try again because you picked the wrong subset?
Yes, that would suck.

I try to live my life according to scripture. This not only gives me satisfaction and peace in the present, but hopefully will result in everlasting peace.
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My question to all of you in this thread is do you truly live as good of a life as you think you do? Do you judge that weird chubby kid that is wearing skin tight jeans and a pink Mohawk that you see in the mall? I don't mean do you comment about, I mean do you think to yourself "what an idiot" or "I'm glad that's not my kid." Do you indulge in alcohol just once in a while more than you should and maybe catch a bit of a buzz. Do you own more things than you probably should to live a meager existance? So on and so on and so on...... If the answer to any of these questions is yes do you feel at all hypocritical? I know all you have to do is ask the guy in the sky for forgivness and it is all good, No harm done. Christians generally take the rules and twist them around so that it fits their lifestyle and they don't have to sacrifice anything or be a truly good person. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling you bad people, that is not my intention at all. I am just asking if you are true Christians or just weekend warriors?
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My question to all of you in this thread is do you truly live as good of a life as you think you do? Do you judge that weird chubby kid that is wearing skin tight jeans and a pink Mohawk that you see in the mall? I don't mean do you comment about, I mean do you think to yourself "what an idiot" or "I'm glad that's not my kid." Do you indulge in alcohol just once in a while more than you should and maybe catch a bit of a buzz. Do you own more things than you probably should to live a meager existance? So on and so on and so on...... If the answer to any of these questions is yes do you feel at all hypocritical? I know all you have to do is ask the guy in the sky for forgivness and it is all good, No harm done. Christians generally take the rules and twist them around so that it fits their lifestyle and they don't have to sacrifice anything or be a truly good person. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling you bad people, that is not my intention at all. I am just asking if you are true Christians or just weekend warriors?
We all have sin, even me. That is what separates us from the perfection of Heaven. You shall only enter heaven if you are washed from your sin. There is nothing you can do as a human, no single act of goodness, that can wash away the sin. Although, once you ask jesus into your heart you will start living a better life naturally.
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We all have sin, even me. That is what separates us from the perfection of Heaven. You shall only enter heaven if you are washed from your sin. There is nothing you can do as a human, no single act of goodness, that can wash away the sin. Although, once you ask jesus into your heart you will start living a better life naturally.
Do you feel at all hypocritical for not really following the bible? For generations Christians have been slowly twisting and turning the bible to suit them. What makes you think that that following the now-a-days version of Christianity is going to get you into your sweet life in the sky? The religion has been changed by MEN not by god. As far as I know god has not swooped down and ammended the bible every couple hundred years to allow humans to be more greedy and commit more sins. You all are just guessing that he will be cool with the changes when you reach the pearly gates.
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