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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #181
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Drones since the dawn of time
Compelled to live your sheltered lives
Not once has anyone ever seen
Such a rise of pure hypocracy
I'll instigate I'll free your mind
I'll show you what I've known all this time

God Hates Us All, God Hates Us All
You know it's true God hates this place
You know it's true he hates this race

Homicide-Suicide
Hate heals, you should try it sometime
Strive for Peace with acts of war
The beauty of death we all adore
I have no faith distracting me
I know why your prayers will never be answered

God Hates Us All; God Hates Us All
He Fuckin' hates me

Pessimist, Terrorist targeting the next mark
Global chaos feeding on hysteria
Cut throat, slit your wrist, shoot you in the back fair game
Drug abuse, self abuse searching for the next high
Sounds a lot like hell is spreading all the time
I'm waiting for the day the whole world fucking dies

I never said I wanted to be God's disciple
I'll never be the one to blindly follow

Man made virus infecting the world
Self-destruct human time bomb
What if there is no God would you think the fuckin' same
Wasting your life in a leap of blind faith
Wake the fukc up can't ignore what I say
I got my own philosophy

I hate everyone equally
You can't tear that out of me
No segregation -separation
Just me in my world of enemies

I never said I wanted to be God's disciple
I'll never be the one to blindly follow
I'll never be the one to bear the cross-disciple

I reject this fuckin' race
I despise this fuckin' pLace

This song sums it all up!
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #182
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"The Fight Song"

Nothing suffocates you more than
The passing of everyday human events
Isolation is the oxygen mask you make
Your children breathe in to survive

But I'm not a slave to a god
That doesn't exist
But I'm not a slave to a world
That doesn't give a shit

And when we were good
You just closed you eyes
So when we are bad
We'll scar your minds

Fight, fight, fight, fight

You'll never grow up to be a big-
Rock-star-celebrated-victim-of-your-fame
They'll just cut our wrists like
Cheap coupons and say that death
Was on sale today

And when we were good
You just closed you eyes
So when we are bad
We'll scar your minds

But I'm not a slave to a god
That doesn't exist
But I'm not a slave to a world
That doesn't give a shit

The death of one is a tragedy
The death of one is a tragedy
The death of one is a tragedy
But death of a million is just a statistic

[CHORUS]

Fight, fight, fight, fight

thats been my anthem for years.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #183
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If find it interesting of the condemnation of Christian believers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see where Christian is condemning any of you for your beliefs, why do you people think it right to condemn up for ours?
There is so much anger and a demand for answers. Is it the fear of not knowing what happens to you when you die? Every wonder what would happen if any of you sincerely ASKED for resolve?

I don't see where any of the Christian believers say they know all the answers. It's the faith that there is one. As stated, everything happens for a reason. The drive behind that reasoning is what propels but divides us.

And Steve, I'm still waiting for you to quote your source on your stated 'fact' that only poor and uneducated people believe in God.
reading comprehension fails you. I said people that believe in god/go to church are predominatly poor/uneducated.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #184
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reading comprehension fails you. I said people that believe in god/go to church are predominatly poor/uneducated.
*shrug* I can't find those demographics/statistics anywhere, not even the lauded wiki
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #185
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Interesting choice of words. In fact, according to Christian beliefs, anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus is "condemned".
while people are flawed, and many are hypocritical/judgmental it is important to note that the notion of condemned, eternal damnation, etc. is one of the most hotly debated/discussed topics in theology.

some have opined, that "hell" will simply be the knowledge of missing out on how fantastically awesome heaven is once that knowledge is attained.

other have of course delighted in telling horrific stories of torture.



I think it was Scott that once referred to his sharing of the word and what little evangelizing he does as akin to someone that knows the boat is slowly sinking, and wanting to save as many people as possible - all the while the band is still playing on, the bar is still serving drinks etc.... (loosely paraphrased of course)
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:59 PM   #186
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I think it was Scott that once referred to his sharing of the word and what little evangelizing he does as akin to someone that knows the boat is slowly sinking, and wanting to save as many people as possible - all the while the band is still playing on, the bar is still serving drinks etc.... (loosely paraphrased of course)
chicken little thought the sky was falling and just wanted to save his friends. didn't mean he was right.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #187
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If find it interesting of the condemnation of Christian believers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see where Christian is condemning any of you for your beliefs, why do you people think it right to condemn up for ours?
There is so much anger and a demand for answers. Is it the fear of not knowing what happens to you when you die? Every wonder what would happen if any of you sincerely ASKED for resolve?

I don't see where any of the Christian believers say they know all the answers. It's the faith that there is one. As stated, everything happens for a reason. The drive behind that reasoning is what propels but divides us.

And Steve, I'm still waiting for you to quote your source on your stated 'fact' that only poor and uneducated people believe in God.
Blah blah blah. I'm still stuck on the fact that you believe in god because people gave you money. That is utterly fucking retarded. Steveo must be right, you are a dirtass.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #188
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Blah blah blah. I'm still stuck on the fact that you believe in god because people gave you money. That is utterly fucking retarded. Steveo must be right, you are a dirtass.
I am going to resist making a comment about him living in a singlewide and marrying a former hooters employee cause thats not nice. I am trying very hard to be nice.

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reading comprehension fails you. I said people that believe in god/go to church are predominatly poor/uneducated.
Umm.. No you didn't. Look below.
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Blah blah blah. I'm still stuck on the fact that you believe in god because people gave you money. That is utterly fucking retarded. Steveo must be right, you are a dirtass.
You don't read well either. Nobody has given me money. It has only been offered, but refused. I asked for guidance and for direction. God provided the avenues. You don't an answer for what I asked. Why do you think you're right, appoint yourself the end all on religious beliefs, and have so much anger towards Christians?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #190
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>people that believe in god are predominantly uneducated/poor
>people that believe in god/go to church are predominatly poor/uneducated

ok. was it the slight change in wording that stumped you?

Whats the difference in these 2 statements?
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So because people helped you, you think god exists?

On the other hand collin died of cancer and left his wife and child behind. I'm sure they asked for gods help, where was he then? Collins life was a Hell of a lot more important than your home sale. Who gives a shit about you selling your house other than you? Selling a house wasn't life or death was it? If he is more concearned about a house sale than a good man dying young and leaving a family behind then I would say he has his priorities messed up. Maybe good and bad things happen by coincidence and not by and act of god. Sit back and think about it with an OPEN MIND once, not one that has been clouded by the Christian cult.... I mean church. Or I guess you could just drink the koolaid and hop aboard the grey hound commet to the promise land.
Collin, knew, just like every other human that we all eventually die. I don't know what Collin's faith, or his family faith was like.

Have you ever (with an open mind) simply wondered if the prayers were answered, just not exactly how one wanted them answered at that time?

Put yourself in the shoes of a young child. They may tell their parents they want candy, and in the next breath pray to grow up to be big and strong - think of this as praying... Parents tell kid, no to the candy, and get off the couch and mow the lawn (with a push mower).

In the moment, the kid is pissed for "unanswered prayers". Later, they grow up big and strong instead of a couch-dwelling lard ass with no teef...

It's a stretch of an analogy, but the point is that perhaps prayers of peace did go answered? Perhaps prayers to be a strong example went answered? I honestly don't know, as again I never had the honor of meeting Collin, his family, or knowing their faith/beliefs or what they may have prayed for.

I do know, that regardless of whether one calls them prayers, wishful thinking, or whatever, that I am always careful with what I actually hope and wish for. Some lame-assed country music star famously blurted out in a song that he's thankful for the prayers that went unanswered...

I know that nobody on this planet has all of the answers, especially to questions and scenario's that we deem unjust.

I watched my sister inlaw bury her 9 month old nephew. I watched a neighbor bury their 2 year old son to the devastation of neuroblastoma. I've watched my father decline for 7 straight years into the bowels of dementia, and know full well that it could easily last another 20 or more.

I also watched Amy O'Rourke go on TV, and publicly forgive the man that killed her husband, and father of her 4 young children - something I know damned well I might not ever be able to do, let alone literally hours after seeing him dead in a hospital bed...
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chicken little thought the sky was falling and just wanted to save his friends. didn't mean he was right.
it meant his heart was in the right place however. he wasn't condemning people...
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Collin, knew, just like every other human that we all eventually die. I don't know what Collin's faith, or his family faith was like.

Have you ever (with an open mind) simply wondered if the prayers were answered, just not exactly how one wanted them answered at that time?

Put yourself in the shoes of a young child. They may tell their parents they want candy, and in the next breath pray to grow up to be big and strong - think of this as praying... Parents tell kid, no to the candy, and get off the couch and mow the lawn (with a push mower).

In the moment, the kid is pissed for "unanswered prayers". Later, they grow up big and strong instead of a couch-dwelling lard ass with no teef...

It's a stretch of an analogy, but the point is that perhaps prayers of peace did go answered? Perhaps prayers to be a strong example went answered? I honestly don't know, as again I never had the honor of meeting Collin, his family, or knowing their faith/beliefs or what they may have prayed for.

I do know, that regardless of whether one calls them prayers, wishful thinking, or whatever, that I am always careful with what I actually hope and wish for. Some lame-assed country music star famously blurted out in a song that he's thankful for the prayers that went unanswered...

I know that nobody on this planet has all of the answers, especially to questions and scenario's that we deem unjust.

I watched my sister inlaw bury her 9 month old nephew. I watched a neighbor bury their 2 year old son to the devastation of neuroblastoma. I've watched my father decline for 7 straight years into the bowels of dementia, and know full well that it could easily last another 20 or more.

I also watched Amy O'Rourke go on TV, and publicly forgive the man that killed her husband, and father of her 4 young children - something I know damned well I might not ever be able to do, let alone literally hours after seeing him dead in a hospital bed...
collin was a christian. I doubt he would blame god for what happened to him.

So how do you explain the kid who prayed to grow up to be big and strong, got his prayers answered, had his own kids and was stricken down after fifteen months of horrible cancer leaving behind a wife, child and family/friends who loved him?


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>people that believe in god are predominantly uneducated/poor
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ok. was it the slight change in wording that stumped you?

Whats the difference in these 2 statements?
You laid it out there as a fact. I asked for a source, confirming your fact. You then said that you believe. That changes your "fact" to your opinion.
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it meant his heart was in the right place however. he wasn't condemning people...
what if chicken little had rounded up a large group of like minded chickens, traveled by boat and horse thousands of miles just to take away land from its rightful owners?

oh wait, I have a answer for that.
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collin was a christian. I doubt he would blame god for what happened to him.

So how do you explain the kid who prayed to grow up to be big and strong, got his prayers answered, had his own kids and was stricken down after fifteen months of horrible cancer leaving behind a wife, child and family/friends who loved him?
if that's directed at me, I don't explain it, other than again with the statement that we all die. everyone.

Those that believe know full well that bad things happen - and bad things happen to good people. They keep that faith that they will meet again, and cherish the memories of what they had, however brief.
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You laid it out there as a fact. I asked for a source, confirming your fact. You then said that you believe. That changes your "fact" to your opinion.
no i didn't.
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if that's directed at me, I don't explain it, other than again with the statement that we all die. everyone.

Those that believe know full well that bad things happen - and bad things happen to good people. They keep that faith that they will meet again, and cherish the memories of what they had, however brief.
If thats what it takes to keep your head up in a shitty world then good for you. I would never force anyone to change their beliefs, just ridicule them for them. if you dont want your silly superstitions ridiculed then don't post them on gl4x4.
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what if chicken little had rounded up a large group of like minded chickens, traveled by boat and horse thousands of miles just to take away land from its rightful owners?
Chicken Little knew that there's really no such thing as ownership, of land or anything else. Just stewardship. Those "rightful owners" the Native Americans understood it too - they were however just not utilizing it to the maximum productivity levels so Chicken Little had to come along, build huge cities, factory farms, and pee in the rivers.
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Chicken Little knew that there's really no such thing as ownership, of land or anything else. Just stewardship. Those "rightful owners" the Native Americans understood it too - they were however just not utilizing it to the maximum productivity levels so Chicken Little had to come along, build huge cities, factory farms, and pee in the rivers.
I meant the crusades but thanks for another great example of christian greed and intolerance.

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