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Old September 20th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #41
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Flamesuits are designed to refract flaming "comments" and keep the subject intact. I've seen only a few responses to my original post about the Christian teachings of the soul after death, and more responses to off-topic comments. I propose that, to keep this thread on topic, we ignore flamboiant comments not related to scriptural basis for heaven, hell (or Sheol) after death. Steveo, you are still encouraged to read and participate, but only expect a response if your post is on-topic.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #42
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I too have read it. It did not reinforce my beliefs. Especially after reading some reviews of the book.

What I believe is constantly under review and scrutiny and challenge.

Some folks on both sides are happiest (or laziest?) by simply accepting what they believe and anything that reinforces, it rather than exercising their mind and grappling with it.

Regardless I don't believe that the internet/discussion forums/facebook, etc. is any place to properly convince or witness to folks about religion or politics - as for one, people seem to be unable to agree to disagree, and for two trolls exist.

To me, this sub-forum is mostly a diversion now and again.
Diversion-yes
I also believe that by posting scripture here and being in the word and praying for is good. If only one person here comes to know the Lord through this then it is all worth it.
It is our job as Christians to plant seeds and the rest is up to the Holy Spirit.
I am guilty of trying to pound the message home and forgetting to leave it to God . I think this is were "less is more".
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Regardless I don't believe that the internet/discussion forums/facebook, etc. is any place to properly convince or witness to folks

To me, this sub-forum is mostly a diversion now and again.
I see your perspective, but the intent of this thread was to poll other Christians about what they have been taught and/or have scriptural knowledge of. To me it is more than a diversion. I am looking for various Christian perspectives.
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Flamesuits are designed to refract flaming "comments" and keep the subject intact. I've seen only a few responses to my original post about the Christian teachings of the soul after death, and more responses to off-topic comments. I propose that, to keep this thread on topic, we ignore flamboiant comments not related to scriptural basis for heaven, hell (or Sheol) after death. Steveo, you are still encouraged to read and participate, but only expect a response if your post is on-topic.
The topic is the soul, spirits and where they go after life. There is no soul, ghosts are a myth(same as Jesus) and heaven doesn't exist.
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How do you know that your god is correct when there are so many others out there Allah, Shiva, Zeus ect?

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion
Ya what he said.
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I see your perspective, but the intent of this thread was to poll other Christians about what they have been taught and/or have scriptural knowledge of. To me it is more than a diversion. I am looking for various Christian perspectives.
I am technically a Christian. I was baptized, accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour. Typical Christian. If I don't believe like you do I can Gtfo.
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Because the thread topic is "where do Christians go when they die" which was followed by a question referring to scripture. The purpose of this thread is not to dismiss false gods or religions, simply to discuss the Christian belief of afterlife.
But if We dismiss your religion that means You don't go anywhere but in a hole right?
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Old September 20th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #48
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I see your perspective, but the intent of this thread was to poll other Christians about what they have been taught and/or have scriptural knowledge of. To me it is more than a diversion. I am looking for various Christian perspectives.
no disrespect is intended with your intentions in creating the thread.

having seen enough threads here, I'd be shocked if you find a lot of thoughtful commentary.

you have planted a question, a seed if you will, by posting the topic. honest discussion and debate from like-minded wheelers in the word are probably better found over at 4given4x4.

anyway, I'm guessing you're asking Christians which line they follow: 1) Do you "sleep the sleep of death" until JC returns? 2) or do you immediately ascend to be with the Lord?

  • Isaiah 38:18-19, "For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth."

  • Job 14:12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake,nor be raised out of their sleep.

Some biblical scholars believe based on the above, that Grandpa is not currently smiling down on you. They suggest, that if you put your faith in the Bible, and in the Son of Man, then when you die, you "sleep" and are there until he returns...
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Old September 20th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #49
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no disrespect is intended with your intentions in creating the thread.

having seen enough threads here, I'd be shocked if you find a lot of thoughtful commentary.

you have planted a question, a seed if you will, by posting the topic. honest discussion and debate from like-minded wheelers in the word are probably better found over at 4given4x4.

anyway, I'm guessing you're asking Christians which line they follow: 1) Do you "sleep the sleep of death" until JC returns? 2) or do you immediately ascend to be with the Lord?

  • Isaiah 38:18-19, "For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth."

  • Job 14:12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake,nor be raised out of their sleep.

Some biblical scholars believe based on the above, that Grandpa is not currently smiling down on you. They suggest, that if you put your faith in the Bible, and in the Son of Man, then when you die, you "sleep" and are there until he returns...
Thanks! As a point, the scripture from Job is a great reference that scripture does not support reincarnation of the soul into a new human or other being. Ie, if a man lieth down and shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep, then they clearly cannot come back in a different body.
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2 Cor. 5:8 talks about, "to be absent from the body- present with the Lord.

there is more to it which I found here

http://bible.org/seriespage/promises...hessalonians-4
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2 Cor. 5:8 talks about, "to be absent from the body- present with the Lord.

there is more to it which I found here

http://bible.org/seriespage/promises...hessalonians-4
that and supporting scripture would be option 2 mentioned above.

there are various studies that dissect the various translations that attempt to deal with, what the layperson considers conflict/duality within the Bible.

the mere idea that it takes that much study/effort is enough to turn some folks off.
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that and supporting scripture would be option 2 mentioned above.

there are various studies that dissect the various translations that attempt to deal with, what the layperson considers conflict/duality within the Bible.

the mere idea that it takes that much study/effort is enough to turn some folks off.
Anything worth of value will take effort . In order to find treasure one needs to dig to find it.
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Anything worth of value will take effort . In order to find treasure one needs to dig to find it.
I would not say that to find treasure you need to relentlessly dig. However, the scripture amazingly addresses social issues not only dating back thousands of years, but also that are applicable today. Can any other library state the same? Due to the complex, yet omnipotent nature of the bible, there is bound to be a lot of debate, interpretation, and discussion.
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I would not say that to find treasure you need to relentlessly dig. However, the scripture amazingly addresses social issues not only dating back thousands of years, but also that are applicable today. Can any other library state the same? Due to the complex, yet omnipotent nature of the bible, there is bound to be a lot of debate, interpretation, and discussion.
I guess that is why they call the bible the Living Word. It does apply to us, today and in our future. Hebrews 13:8 is what your comment brings to mind.
Your question about the bible being applicable thousands of years ago and still today is a great question to ask. I cannot think of any writings that do what the scriptures do.
The book of proverbs is an excellent book to read and get perspective about life, wisdom and knowledge.
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It sounds to me that Jesus and god are very shallow and conceited men. I have full intentions of letting Jesus enter me and accepting it just before i die.....just to be safe!
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It sounds to me that Jesus and god are very shallow and conceited men. I have full intentions of letting Jesus enter me and accepting it just before i die.....just to be safe!
As long as you are true to your heart in accepting Christ. Simply saying it probably won't cut it though. It has to be heart-felt acceptance. Of course you could start today and truly enjoy the peace of Christ for the rest of your days on earth as well.

Back to the question though, assuming you accept Christ into your life sometime between now and your final breath...will you go straight to heaven or will you go to the Sheol and wait for the second coming of Christ before entering heaven?
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I suppose living your life for yourself is ok.... but we are not guarented tomorrow. How would one know when to accept Christ? If you were to to die instantly you would not have time.
I do think that through God's grace and mercy He may grant you the opportunity, but only God knows a man's heart and already knows if you are going to accept Him or not.
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Have you ever seen the movie "the invention of lying" if you haven't you really should. I highly suggest renting it!
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Have you ever seen the movie "the invention of lying" if you haven't you really should. I highly suggest renting it!
Get the fukc out of this thread non Christian. We are trying to stay on topic here.
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In the words of... Well... You.... Fuck your mother! Why don't you take your super Christian ass back to the pub to post some pictures of some skank you are screwing that has a beaver that looks like chewed hamburger.
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