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Old September 19th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #21
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Are you saying dealer only to purchase the oil or dealer only to have it changed?

Well, either way, the oil can be purchased from non dealer sources and changed on your own.
At the time, I was led to believe that the correct oil for the supercharger was only available at the dealership. I always changed it myself. That may have changed, or I may have been given bad information.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 07:19 AM   #22
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I am considering getting a Grand Prix GTP or possibly a Bonneville with the supercharged 3800. Anyone have any experience with this motor? What about the GTP? I have a Grand Am with almost 270,000 miles and the thing is still a nice car. It has the 3.6. Anyway, I want to find a fun, cheap decent gas mileage american car, and prolly a 4 door.
Bullshit Grand Am's were never nice cars.
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Buick Park Ave with the 3.8L SC for the win.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #24
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Thats about what I htought. I know the 3800 is a great motor, just wasnt sure of the SC screwed it up. I am pretty sure I will get a 4 door GTP.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #25
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Green, my wife and I had a 98 GTP when we were first married. Mostly we had no issues with the car. She would come home roughly every other day and tell me that she raced a ______ and beat it. We got rid of it with about 60k miles on it - and the trans was acting funny. Otherwise was an amazing car.
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Crawl underneath the car and look at the fuel & brake lines, just patched the fuel return line on one for a buddy and it won't be long before the supply line and brake line are rusted thru as well. Other than that car ran & drove great. Unfortunatly he is going to let his Vietnamese wife who has never driven before use it to drive the kids to school.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #27
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Great cars. I am always looking for threads showing info. on swaps using them. A friend of mine is wanting to put one in a sami.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 12:55 PM   #28
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Blackmoore - 2.8 full-size I/c? Northstar looked good

I have had like 4 of them and the only issues I have had where my own fault and related to fueling. I was pushing harder than my setup would allow.

As far as the weak part in the driveline is the trans but there is good aftermarket to fix that. The body's you have to watch the rockers, tops of the rear strut towers. Are the worst common places.

Like I said I have had several and still have 2 and am quite active on the gp boards any questions feel free to hit me up. Not too much about them I couldn't help wth.

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And for the record if you find one without SC and you want it, it is fairly easy to swap one on. And not too pricy.

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And for the record if you find one without SC and you want it, it is fairly easy to swap one on. And not too pricy.

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I think that is what Zook was suggesting. I like it.
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And for the record if you find one without SC and you want it, it is fairly easy to swap one on. And not too pricy.

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Then you have the shit trans though, get the SC cars or get the shit trans. 4T60E vs 4T65EHD IIRC. Either way the SC cars came with a HD trans and putting boost on the 9.5-1 NA bottom end instead of the 8.0-1 SC bottom end needs tuning..........and you'll still shit the 4T60E trans that comes with the NA cars.

Find a southern car or some GTP fanboy that keeps everything spotless or you'll have shit ass rusty rockers, under the gas door, rear fenderwells. Front A arm bushings, valve cover gaskets, water pump coolant elbows, lower intake gasket is the major thing. I use GM SC fluid. For the 100k miles it's in there, $30 isn't that much. If $30 for SC oil is too expensive, don't buy the car because unless you're tuned for 87, you'll want to run 89 min and that's only if you don't go WOT and your low octane spark tables are still stock. Then there's the whole cracked fuel line coming up onto the SC that likes to spray gas all over but I'm pretty sure there's a recall for that whole ordeal. I had a 97 ssei I sold with 308K on it that was trapping 112mph in the 1/4 mid 12's. Currently drive a stock 00 GTP 4 door with 187K on it. I started spraying 100hp to the ssei when it had 225K miles on it if that's any indication of what they'll hold

I prefer the ride and feel of the ssei over the gtp. The gtp is 400lbs lighter though so it's "faster" 04gtp timing tables and a full tune VE/MAF should net >30mpg highway out of either. Tune makes a huge difference, but nobody ever wants to do it the right way. Swap pulleys, build boost and heat, and pop piston tops like every other dumbshit with a gtp I has parts still if you want to be the fastester guy than the other fan boys.

Besides being stupid with the go pedal without a tune and the lower intake gaskets, engines are pretty bulletproof. PM me if you have specific questions.
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Other than gearing (gt has the lower gears) the HD diff is the only thing that is different. They both use all the same hard parts and clutches, so unless your doing the one wheel peel the diff is a minor upgrade.

The 97 gt got the 4t60 vac assist pos tans, the gt got the 4t65 and the gtp got the 4t65hd ( HD diff.) All you have to do is swap in an HD diff and you have a better gear ( lower for performance, unless you want MPG then the gtp gear is better ( higher))

Typically it is worth premium ad it will get better MPG and you don't have to worry about going wot, but yes a good tune can do wonders for both power and MPG. I got ad good or better out of my cammed car as i did either stock n/a or SC car. At for less than $5 a tank to burn premium = worth it.

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Mr green what would be your goal with the car? Speed, power, 1/4 mile, MPG or?? That is what would determine what /how to set up the car.

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I am considering getting a Grand Prix GTP.What about the GTP?
Never owned one. However, just from my own personal observation and experience, the GTP is a very common "first car" for high schoolers/college guys who are wannabe race car drivers and just drive the SHIT out of them. Theyr'e driven hard (and possibly poorly maintained). That being said, anyone looking to buy one of them, I strongly urge you to thoroughly inspect it.

A majority of these cars I've seen for sale are totally ragged out.

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I want to find a fun, cheap decent gas mileage american car, and prolly a 4 door.
I don't know that I'd necessarily use the adjective 'fun' to describe them...but I'd look at a Cadillac Deville. They're roomy, luxury, plenty of power, decent on gas (not great on gas, but not awful either.), and pretty nice looking (which is subjective, of course.) And because old wealthy people love Cadillac's...super low mileage and meticulously maintained ones are plentiful.

No where did I see you mention what your budget is... but a lot of spotless, low mileage Caddy's are out there.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/3278132054.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ctd/3281335183.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/3245465845.html

(those were found in just 30 seconds on craigslist as an example. Better cars and deals are out there. I was just giving an example.)

I'm sure some of you will laugh...saying these are old man/racial slur cars, but I love them.
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Never owned one. However, just from my own personal observation and experience, the GTP is a very common "first car" for high schoolers/college guys who are wannabe race car drivers and just drive the SHIT out of them. Theyr'e driven hard (and possibly poorly maintained). That being said, anyone looking to buy one of them, I strongly urge you to thoroughly inspect it.

A majority of these cars I've seen for sale are totally ragged out.



I don't know that I'd necessarily use the adjective 'fun' to describe them...but I'd look at a Cadillac Deville. They're roomy, luxury, plenty of power, decent on gas (not great on gas, but not awful either.), and pretty nice looking (which is subjective, of course.) And because old wealthy people love Cadillac's...super low mileage and meticulously maintained ones are plentiful.

No where did I see you mention what your budget is... but a lot of spotless, low mileage Caddy's are out there.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/3278132054.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ctd/3281335183.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/3245465845.html

(those were found in just 30 seconds on craigslist as an example. Better cars and deals are out there. I was just giving an example.)

I'm sure some of you will laugh...saying these are old man/racial slur cars, but I love them.
Thanks, I have considered the Cadillacs. My budget is cheaper the better, but somewhere around $5000 is what I have in mind. I drive around 90 miles a day, just in my commute. Need something enjoyable and decent on gas.
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Thanks, I have considered the Cadillacs. My budget is cheaper the better, but somewhere around $5000 is what I have in mind. I drive around 90 miles a day, just in my commute. Need something enjoyable and decent on gas.
When I had my GTP I was driving from Grand Haven to Nashville every weekend for a few months. With the cruise set around 84 I was getting ~35MPG. @ 75 I was getting 29. In my experiance these car's best speed for fuel mileage will result in tickets.

My Bonneville gets ~ 32mpg @ 76 consistently.
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I hear maintaining a Cadillac is not very cheap. $100 head lights, etc. Any truth to this? Why are Cadillacs so damn cheap used? Scary.
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Because they are electrical and maintenance nightmares. My brother had a Eldorado. The coolant runs through the alternator. just shy of 800 bucks to do a alternator job IIRC.
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I hear maintaining a Cadillac is not very cheap. $100 head lights, etc. Any truth to this? Why are Cadillacs so damn cheap used? Scary.
I'm no crapillac specialist, but I don't think they're any different than a standard 9004/6/etc. bulb for the headlights.

My thoughts on why they're so cheap?? They're not exactly stellar cars with the 4.6 northstar....

Early ones burnt oil like hell (IIRC GM says 1 qt every 3k miles is "acceptable" - believe this was pre 2000 engines), next ones had carbon deposit issues that caused cold knock conditions. They go through head gaskets (good ol' dexcool), are interference engines, and have issues with the plastic intake manifold (just as the 3.8's do). Early ones had liquid cooled alternators as well on the deville's/seville's, and the starter is under the intake making it a PITA to change as well.

BUT, the biggest "feature" of these engines? They're 2 piece blocks and the block half (no main caps - physical split down the crank centerline) would leak oil. Around MY' 2000 they went to a new casting process that resulted in a number of blocks being too thin and they would literally seep oil.

Maybe they were better in their later years...I stopped wrenching for a living around 2004-5ish.


Perhaps that's why they're so cheap Having said that though, if you can find one that's been driven easily, has proof of coolant changes, and doesn't leak oil at the block half, you're probably alright. I had a few that I routinely serviced that went for 150K+.
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