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Old September 18th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #41
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how many dead soldiers or civilians spread across how many continents or countries before the current state of "peace keeping" is considered world war 3?



my thoughts on the current scenario seem logical. if a host country can not keep foreign dignitaries safe on their sovereign soil (an embassy) then why we should no longer have any diplomatic relations, and/or aid with said country in the first place.
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It's actually one of the things I liked about Rick Perry, his stance that all foreign aid should be abolished and then reveiwed as to "why" they should be reinstated.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #42
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I just don't understand the need we have to have everyone like us, or the need we have to help everyone. If they want to demonstrate against us, fine. Pull all funding and support. I wish we had more of a stance like Israel. If they see a threat, they bomb it and be done with it. They don't send in troops and billions of dollars and try to change the government and the people.

Obama is denying it is a terror plot. Having a successful terrorist attack against us right before elections would make him look weak.

There are so many problems at home that the funds and effort directed abroad would make a world of difference right here at home.
I agree that he is trying to make this look like a whole lot of nothing. I also am amazed at how little these incidents are being reported. If Bush was in office people having their heads cut off would be huge news, but for some reason it's not a big deal right now.
I say withdrawl from the area both physically and with our support. The government won't do it, but I am for just pulling out and letting them live the way they want.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #43
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I agree that he is trying to make this look like a whole lot of nothing. I also am amazed at how little these incidents are being reported. If Bush was in office people having their heads cut off would be huge news, but for some reason it's not a big deal right now.
I say withdrawl from the area both physically and with our support. The government won't do it, but I am for just pulling out and letting them live the way they want.
So do you think going in to Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes?
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Old September 18th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #44
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Now we know there were no WMD's then yes I think it was a mistake. But, if there were WMD's I think how we handled the situation was way off base.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #45
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Now we know there were no WMD's then yes I think it was a mistake. But, if there were WMD's I think how we handled the situation was way off base.
What about Afghanistan? We never thought there were WMD's in Afghanistan.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #46
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What about Afghanistan? We never thought there were WMD's in Afghanistan.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #47
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So do you think going in to Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes?
Yes and yes.. though I don't think going after osama was a mistake. Hunting him down and killing him very violently and publicly should have been our mission, not some humanitarian BS.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 09:14 AM   #48
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What about Afghanistan? We never thought there were WMD's in Afghanistan.
We should have targeted and taken out there terror camps and be done with it.

The go in, lose American lives, and spend billions of dollars trying to change a culture is bullshit.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 02:53 PM   #49
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wtf how does our president obama send our marines over to libya with out bullets in their guns? what an idiot. all because he doesnt want to upset the muslim brother hood? i am thinking obama must be cousin with muslims.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #50
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wtf how does our president obama send our marines over to libya with out bullets in their guns? what an idiot. all because he doesnt want to upset the muslim brother hood? i am thinking obama must be cousin with muslims.
Wow. Drink more Koolaid. You know Obama doesn't dictate the security measures, and state of readiness of the embassies, that falls squarely on the shoulders of the Ambassadors.
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Wow. Drink more Koolaid. You know Obama doesn't dictate the security measures, and state of readiness of the embassies, that falls squarely on the shoulders of the Ambassadors.
i read an article about it. but i thought it was pretty messed up.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #52
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i read an article about it. but i thought it was pretty messed up.
Well it must be true then, if you read it somewhere.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #53
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Correct that Obie typically isn't involved in tactical decisions like the details of Embassy security. And when they do involve themselves in tactical decisions it doesn't generally end well, like Clinton in Somalia and LBJ in Vietnam.

However, the tone taken in the aftermath of such events is KEY.

In these cases, Obie fails miserably - a zero score. His "gutsy call" consisted of :

1) A strange and weasely statement (not allies but not enemies) and apology for any perceived insult to Islam (essentially adding credence to Islamist claims that the U.S. govt has control over this movie.
2) Identification of a U.S. citizen to Radical Islamists as well as a DoJ probe into this citizen for expressing their 1st Amendment rights
3) Assurances to the Egyptians that aid $ isn't at risk based on recent actions

So, pacification and appeasement. We've all seen how well this has worked in the past...

Epic fail.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:06 PM   #54
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Correct that Obie typically isn't involved in tactical decisions like the details of Embassy security. And when they do involve themselves in tactical decisions it doesn't generally end well, like Clinton in Somalia and LBJ in Vietnam.

However, the tone taken in the aftermath of such events is KEY.

In these cases, Obie fails miserably - a zero score. His "gutsy call" consisted of :

1) A strange and weasely statement (not allies but not enemies) and apology for any perceived insult to Islam (essentially adding credence to Islamist claims that the U.S. govt has control over this movie.
2) Identification of a U.S. citizen to Radical Islamists as well as a DoJ probe into this citizen for expressing their 1st Amendment rights
3) Assurances to the Egyptians that aid $ isn't at risk based on recent actions

So, pacification and appeasement. We've all seen how well this has worked in the past...

Epic fail.
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4) Secretary of State/Mouthpiece running on about how our Ambassador was brought to a Libyan hospital by 'concerned' Libyan citizens. Sorry, but 'concerned' citizens of any culture don't stop to photograph, video tape, jeer, or cheer a dead American flopping around while pretending to be a rescue/emergency situation...
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So those that were quick to condemn all Libyans, What do you think of this latest development:

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-islamis...022901566.html
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 04:52 PM   #56
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So those that were quick to condemn all Libyans, What do you think of this latest development:

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-islamis...022901566.html
I'm pleasantly surprised. But then again, the Berbers of Libya are a bit different.

Remember our country is still young. IMHO,our ( ) people are short sighted enough to draw up ten year plans for peace in the middle east while Islamists have a ten century plan to take over the world. The Ottoman Empire controled and colonized most lands and countries around the med, western asia, europe and north africa for over six hundred years. They are not going to fade away. The Ottomans were duped into dissolving their empire, and won't fall for that again.

The next great islamic empire will be larger and will include the USA. They hate us for our freedoms (furor over the youtube proves that) and will use those freedoms against us. Might not see it in my lifetime, but it's coming.

There is nothing friendly or peaceful about islam. It is the cancer on our planet.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #57
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I think we need to pull all the funding from libya and tell them to get f**k! I cant understand why we have a president that isnt doing anything about this? killing a ambassdor is a act of war! we dont need anything from libya let them ruin their country. these american people didnt have to die! our president let them get killed!


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Old October 8th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #58
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I was right before it was cool in this thread.

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