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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:24 AM   #1
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Angry Small claims or GL4x4 Court of Appeals ????

I would like some of your opinions on an issue that I am involved in.

I'd like to say sorry for the long read ahead of time.I don't know how to really shorten the story much.

I am looking at either taking a small business to small claims court or possibly a circuit court over services provided by the said business.

In July of last year I bought a 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport from a local dealer.When the vehicle was purchased it had low almost non existent oil pressure.The dealer knew the problem was cam bearings as well as I did.But the price was right.
Upon purchasing the Jeep I had a Chrysler mechanic friend look at it and he came up with the same scenario(cam bearings)
I looked high and low for a decent used engine but was looking at $1000 for something with 100,000 miles.i then came across an ad on Grand Rapids Craigslist for a company that rebuilds 4.0L for $1300 with a year warranty.Turns out one of the salvage yards I contacted said they do business with this shop and recommended them.
After calling and speaking with the owner of the shop I pulled the engine and took it to them to be rebuilt.They called when the engine was finished and I picked it up.After install the oil pressure was the same.I called the shop back and spoke to the owner and he said to bring the Jeep to him.
I then towed the Jeep to Grand Rapids with my gauges installed for a manual oil pressure test.(takes about 15 minutes to do)The Jeep sat there a week and a half before he touched it.Then calls me and says the engine had to come back out.If he did it,it would be another week or 2.I then went to G.R. pulled the engine in his parking lot at night.He went back through the motor and said the cam bearings he put in had a spot weld on them.I know that weld won't stick to a cam bearing and called him out on it.He threatened to throw me off from his property.After calming down he gave me the engine and I had to reinstall it in the parking lot at 8:30 at night.Everything was fine,or so it seemed.Motor ran great for about 5000 miles then lost oil pressure again.
I call the shop and get no answer.Finally I get a voice mail on one of my calls and left a message.They call me back and had me pull the motor again and bring iot to a new location.Bad business I know.They then state that the motor was overheated and charged me another $500.I got the engine back and had to go back to G.R. to retrieve the proper timing cover.they put one on from a Grand Cherokee not the same.He also said my distributor was froze up and teeth were broke.The Jeep was drove up until I pulled the engine,which says that the distributor wasn't mine.As well as I had just put a new one on a month earlier.And this one wasn't mine.He said teh crank bearings and cam bearings went to crap from the overheat.The bearings he showed me my mechanic said came out of a motor with over 100,000 miles on it.After getting the correct timing cover and a trip to the salvage yard on a Saturday morning,to get the harmonic balancer bolt and washer he didn't return.I installed the engine and had a rocker clatter.Pulled the cover and found a collapsed lifter.Drained the new now milky oil and antifreeze.Pulled the head and replaced the lifter.Put it back together and still clatter.Upon closer inspection I found that 1 pushrod was a 1/4" shorter than the rest.Put a new pushrod in and voila good oil pressure and no noise.But when I checked the yet again new oil after a short run time milky.Pulled the valve cover while hot to see a crack that was bubbling on the #4 exhaust bridge.
Called the guy that rebuilt the engine explained what was going on.Text pics to him of the oil and pushrod,as well as teh cracked head.He said that I could get a new head for $420 but that he wasn't buying me one.Even though the receipt he gave me says 6 months parts only warranty.
My question is do I hassle with small claims or do I get an attorney and try and nail his ass to the wall?
I know some will say buttsecks.But that's too kind.
Thanks for any advice.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:33 AM   #2
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I would recommend posting up this shady mechanic's shop number, his name, and his phone number... You have to prevent people from dealing with this guy.
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Originally it was the Engine Doctors and now it's The Engine Guru.They work out of the back of another shop that a senior member of GL4x4 is either the owner or employeed by.
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Originally it was the Engine Doctors and now it's The Engine Guru.They work out of the back of another shop that a senior member of GL4x4 is either the owner or employeed by.




On a side note, a quick look online, and every review I read simply states the place fucked up their ride after they rebuilt the engine. Of course any shop will make a mistake here or there, however it's how they handle the mistake afterward.

Seems like you put a lot of effort into making this right, it sucks that you got bent over like this. There are always two sides to a story, however I'm not really sure what they could say that would make them seem not-liable.
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Wow... Is the jeep nice? That's a lot of work my friend!

And did you over heat it?
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #6
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^^^ on the other hand. I would talk to an attorney prior to doing so. I'm in a similar situation that only a few know about at the moment. It's best not to make it too public if you plan on taking it to court
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Originally it was the Engine Doctors and now it's The Engine Guru.They work out of the back of another shop that a senior member of GL4x4 is either the owner or employeed by.
Sounds pretty shady. Were they operating out of the back of another shop when you originally took it to them? Or was it seemingly more legit?

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This makes it 100% more interesting.
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This is gonna get gooooooood!!!!!
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Yes it's nice.Spotless inside and out.Bought it for my son for college.It wasn't overheated but the heat tab he put on the soft plug right under the center of the exhaust header had melted.
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^^^ on the other hand. I would talk to an attorney prior to doing so. I'm in a similar situation that only a few know about at the moment. It's best not to make it too public if you plan on taking it to court
this..........so get anywhere yet? just have them delivered to me
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They had their own shop originally.
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They had their own shop originally.
If you have documentation of all the work, payments, repairs to try and fix their own mistakes I would call up a lawyer.

Someones word is hard to go on, but if you have hard paper proof it'll be easier to argue your case.
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^^^ on the other hand. I would talk to an attorney prior to doing so. I'm in a similar situation that only a few know about at the moment. It's best not to make it too public if you plan on taking it to court
I would go this route:

1. Try to have the issue resolved person to person
2. Go online and expose the fraud. Hope that the business owner resolves problem
3. hire a lawyer
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this..........so get anywhere yet? just have them delivered to me
They're going to have to be delivered to your house! I'm leaving a lot sooner than I originally thought. But as far as the matter at hand goes! The less slander that you put out there about the situation that you are in, the better! All of this could come back to bite you if they find that you are degrading their name.
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Yes not starting any slander.And all documentation is in receipts and phone records.The member on here was really just drug into the middle of it all.The other shop tried to make things right.I actually think that they are unaware of what the result was.
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well my advise to you would be to keep it civil on your part. Let other people do the "bashing" but try not to represent the shop, the people involved, or the situation in a negative way. Inform people of the situation, let them make their own conclusions
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well my advise to you would be to keep it civil on your part. Let other people do the "bashing" but try not to represent the shop, the people involved, or the situation in a negative way. Inform people of the situation, let them make their own conclusions
Seems like he did just that.

When the shop told me to come pull the engine out the 2nd time I would have not been very civil.
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When the shop told me to come pull the engine out the 2nd time I would have not been very civil.
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I hate CL rebuilders. Sure there might be a few good guys out there but there are ALOT of crooks. I bought a 4L60E (2000+) off CL in Baycity and it was suppose to be rebuilt and all nice and the guy even offered me a 3 yr/100,000 mile warranty but it was full of water when I got it home and it wont go in reverse so now Im stuck because I bought it for a project and didnt use it right away. Too bad his number is disconnected now too, guess he wasnt too good of a rebuilder and I should have known better since he was doing it out of his garage and everything including his yard was very trashed except for the corner of his barn that had a table he rebuilt them on but parts everywhere. Good luck!
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They're going to have to be delivered to your house! I'm leaving a lot sooner than I originally thought. But as far as the matter at hand goes! The less slander that you put out there about the situation that you are in, the better! All of this could come back to bite you if they find that you are degrading their name.
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well my advise to you would be to keep it civil on your part. Let other people do the "bashing" but try not to represent the shop, the people involved, or the situation in a negative way. Inform people of the situation, let them make their own conclusions
It's a good thing he has you here to tell him to not spread any slander (he hasn't) and to keep things civil (he has) and to stick to the facts and simply inform people of his situation (he's still a few steps ahead of you) ..... Thanks for helping the original poster out, with out your help I think we'd be exactly where we already were.

To the OP, i'd be pissed, you have already been ran around enough. Hire a lawyer and screw their asses to the wall. Espescially if it has all gone down as stated.
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