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Old September 8th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #1
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Picking up a 72 F100 off a buddy, he got it from a guy that died, and never got a title. I know its not real hard to get a title, just need an online appraisal, fill out a form, and take it to SOS. My problem is every place i have found show the value at 7-12k. This thing is a POS, I am only paying $300 for it, but from what I understand they tax on appraisal, not from the price on the bill of sale. i don't mind spending 75-125 on taxes, but the truck ain't worth it for $500 in tax.
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nada is the only one I could find that does classic cars, and they don't factor in it's a POS
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Old September 8th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #3
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SOS originally told me they would tax on the appraisal, but they did tax on the sale price when I did the Model A title earlier this year.

There is a body shop in Owosso that will write up an appraisal. He did my car based on the pictures of the unassembled basket case.
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SOS has never given me shit on the value of classic cars, this IS Michigan after all. Not likely you are going to find a peach early Ford pickup worth $3000, and tax you on it. They tax you on purchase price. Without a title, a bill of sale, with a police inspection should be all you need to get an original title issued to you, and the taxes should reflect what you paid. Just did this with a 75 Opel wagon. NADA says it's worth almost $11k, but the purchase price was $300. Taxed on $300, plus registration and plates. Simple. I can have it appraised to get full coverage insurance, if I desire (I do) so I have to get a professional opinion on value, then decide if I want State Farm replacement, or Haggerty TRUE replacement value.
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i only get taxed on the selling price. i've filed a few since the state changed the law, never had a problem yet. i always take a copy of the law with me when i file because most of the workers have no clue what's needed.

i wish i could sell shit for book value lol
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I think I was taxed on the weight of my Bronco.
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Dealerships used to be able to give written vehicle appraisals for free... just go to one with photos in hand and have them appraise it at the value you need.
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SOS has never given me shit on the value of classic cars, this IS Michigan after all. Not likely you are going to find a peach early Ford pickup worth $3000, and tax you on it. They tax you on purchase price. Without a title, a bill of sale, with a police inspection should be all you need to get an original title issued to you, and the taxes should reflect what you paid. Just did this with a 75 Opel wagon. NADA says it's worth almost $11k, but the purchase price was $300. Taxed on $300, plus registration and plates. Simple. I can have it appraised to get full coverage insurance, if I desire (I do) so I have to get a professional opinion on value, then decide if I want State Farm replacement, or Haggerty TRUE replacement value.
You didn't do it this year then, the rules changed in December. If you did do it this year then you slid through the cracks.
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Valerio's Showcars and Concepts
9670 Gratiot Road Saginaw Charter Township, MI 48609
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You have to take it to them but they will value it for parts if that is all it is. Costs $75 for them to do it though. Buddy had me take his 69 Olds 442 there. They appraised it as a parts vehicle needing full restoration verse the pretty dam solid classic it is. Saved him a few hundred in taxes from the purchase price.
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You have to take it to them but they will value it for parts if that is all it is. Costs $75 for them to do it though. Buddy had me take his 69 Olds 442 there. They appraised it as a parts vehicle needing full restoration verse the pretty dam solid classic it is. Saved him a few hundred in taxes from the purchase price.
and people still bitch about the conditions of our roads
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and people still bitch about the conditions of our roads
Go out of MI and almost every state has way better roads. My .02 is the money they do get for them is mismanaged or something, and combine that with all the extra weight they allow here on them and you get bad roads.
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Go out of MI and almost every state has way better roads. My .02 is the money they do get for them is mismanaged or something, and combine that with all the extra weight they allow here on them and you get bad roads.
Frost and too heavy trucks do the most damage. This summer it was the heat blowing joints apart.
MDOT does a pretty good job with the funds available to them. I don't really see much mismanagement from my viewpoint.
People also have to realize that the money they pay for registration is also used to apply towards matching funds from the feds. That $500 he's trying to save ends up as way more money to go towards fixing the roads. In other words, Michigan puts up his $500, the feds will put up $500 as matching funds for road maintenance.

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Frost and too heavy trucks do the most damage. This summer it was the heat blowing joints apart.
MDOT does a pretty good job with the funds available to them. I don't really see much mismanagement from my viewpoint.
People also have to realize that the money they pay for registration is also used to apply towards matching funds from the feds. That $500 he's trying to save ends up as way more money to go towards fixing the roads. In other words, Michigan puts up his $500, the feds will put up $500 as matching funds for road maintenance.
I agree frost and heavy loads are the problem.Other states have frost and heavy loads with much better roads. Isnt mdot responsible for the stupid cables running down both sides of our highways,which are killing innocent people? One cable down the middle would stop traffic,and allow room for cars to get out of the right of way.Instead dissabled cars are forced back into traffic like a pinball.
I live in kent county.For the last two weeks I've been watching them mow the ditches on county roads.When I asked why I was told it is to prepare for snow? Snow will push over dead weeds.We dont get snow that requires it to be pushed back,off of the road,it melts as soon as it falls.I move plenty of snow.I look at ,and stake drives.I certainly dont mow customers ditches. It's a waste of fuel,equiptment and money.Mdot does the same thing on the highways.This is just one example,Mdot wastes piles of money,imo.
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Frost and too heavy trucks do the most damage. This summer it was the heat blowing joints apart.
MDOT does a pretty good job with the funds available to them. I don't really see much mismanagement from my viewpoint.
People also have to realize that the money they pay for registration is also used to apply towards matching funds from the feds. That $500 he's trying to save ends up as way more money to go towards fixing the roads. In other words, Michigan puts up his $500, the feds will put up $500 as matching funds for road maintenance.
MN, WI, also deal with frost, just not as heavy of trucks and their roads are 1000% better than ours. The NE also has way better roads, but they also have way more taxes and people.

It seems most of the other states use concrete, where we get blacktop and they have to re-do it every 6 - 10 years.

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I agree frost and heavy loads are the problem.Other states have frost and heavy loads with much better roads. Isnt mdot responsible for the stupid cables running down both sides of our highways,which are killing innocent people? One cable down the middle would stop traffic,and allow room for cars to get out of the right of way.Instead dissabled cars are forced back into traffic like a pinball.
I live in kent county.For the last two weeks I've been watching them mow the ditches on county roads.When I asked why I was told it is to prepare for snow? Snow will push over dead weeds.We dont get snow that requires it to be pushed back,off of the road,it melts as soon as it falls.I move plenty of snow.I look at ,and stake drives.I certainly dont mow customers ditches. It's a waste of fuel,equiptment and money.Mdot does the same thing on the highways.This is just one example,Mdot wastes piles of money,imo.
Other states mow way more than MI, hell most seem to landscape their highways. I agree with the cable thing though, and other states I have seen it down the middle. My guess is by having it where they do it is easier to mow.

I travel a LOT for work, and you can surely tell the minute your back in MI. It looks like shit (mowing, trash pickup, and road surface) in the lower LP (IE below Standish) excluding the GR area they do a nice job over there it seems.
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I agree frost and heavy loads are the problem.Other states have frost and heavy loads with much better roads. Isnt mdot responsible for the stupid cables running down both sides of our highways,which are killing innocent people? One cable down the middle would stop traffic,and allow room for cars to get out of the right of way.Instead dissabled cars are forced back into traffic like a pinball.
I live in kent county.For the last two weeks I've been watching them mow the ditches on county roads.When I asked why I was told it is to prepare for snow? Snow will push over dead weeds.We dont get snow that requires it to be pushed back,off of the road,it melts as soon as it falls.I move plenty of snow.I look at ,and stake drives.I certainly dont mow customers ditches. It's a waste of fuel,equiptment and money.Mdot does the same thing on the highways.This is just one example,Mdot wastes piles of money,imo.
Mdot is down to once or twice a year mowing, counties are on their own when it comes to mowing.
The cables are doing what they're designed to do, prevent crossovers into opposing traffic. Guardrails do the same thing, direct the car back onto the roadway, cables make a bigger mess of the car doing it though.
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MN, WI, also deal with frost, just not as heavy of trucks and their roads are 1000% better than ours. The NE also has way better roads, but they also have way more taxes and people.

It seems most of the other states use concrete, where we get blacktop and they have to re-do it every 6 - 10 years.

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A lot of times it depends upon the price of the material, for a complete reconstruct or new construction if concrete is cheaper when the job is let for bids then that's what gets used, if asphalt is cheaper then it goes that way.
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I apologize for jacking your thread. I dont have a problem with cables or guard rails along highways.I have a problem with one down each side 3 ft from the fast lane. If the cable or guard rail was in the middle it would cost half as much,do the same job,and give you room to spin out and change your underware.Instead you bounce off the cable back into traffic,usually with a airbag in your face. What if a car doesnt see a motor cyclist and comes into the fast lane,the bike is forced into a cable. I didnt ride on the highway much before,but I refuse to now.
I think the cables down both sides was more about creating jobs then saving lives.
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I apologize for jacking your thread. I dont have a problem with cables or guard rails along highways.I have a problem with one down each side 3 ft from the fast lane. If the cable or guard rail was in the middle it would cost half as much,do the same job,and give you room to spin out and change your underware.Instead you bounce off the cable back into traffic,usually with a airbag in your face. What if a car doesnt see a motor cyclist and comes into the fast lane,the bike is forced into a cable. I didnt ride on the highway much before,but I refuse to now.
I think the cables down both sides was more about creating jobs then saving lives.
There are height requirements that determine where the cable is placed. Usually there is a ditch running between the roadways and if the cable is placed there there is a higher likelyhood of a car hitting the cable while airborne and the car being vaulted over the cable and into opposing traffic (that's essentially how it was explained to me by the engineers). Sorry too for the thread hijack.

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