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Old September 11th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #121
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Yes Clinton signed it into law. But it was all layed out but the SR Bush. Clinton had to sign it into law as soon as he took office a lot like Obama had to do the bailouts.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #122
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Just admit it suck ! They've done more harm than good for this country. Even Regean made grave mistakes. He's the only decent republican since Teddy ! Old Ronnie deregulated the trucking industry so any dingbat could drive a truck. That's why there's so many bad truck drivers on the road.
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Just admit it suck ! They've done more harm than good for this country. Even Regean made grave mistakes. He's the only decent republican since Teddy ! Old Ronnie deregulated the trucking industry so any dingbat could drive a truck. That's why there's so many bad truck drivers on the road.
As a former driver, any retard can do it. As somebody whom regularly deals with drivers, any body can do it.

To draw lines in the sand over a label like republican or democrat is refuckingtarded. We need to focus on removing the corruption and the dummies.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #124
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As a former driver, any retard can do it. As somebody whom regularly deals with drivers, any body can do it.

To draw lines in the sand over a label like republican or democrat is refuckingtarded. We need to focus on removing the corruption and the dummies.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #125
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Clinton also started NAFTA and Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... Two things that continue to hurt us.

I can't imagine how long it will take to get rid of all the garbage in Obama care. Think Pelosi has bothered to read it yet?
Fannie Mae was started in 1938, 8 years before Clinton was born. Freddie Mac was started in 1970, while Clinton was still dodging the draft.

And as already stated, NAFTA was negotiated under George H W Bush.

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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #126
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Wasnt there a Bush between Reagan and Clinton ? And for nafta that was done by George H.W. Bush. So don't blame that on Clinton either.
There also was a recession that he's ignoring.
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There also was a recession that he's ignoring.
Caused by a shitty housing market thanks to Nancy and Henry setting up Freddie and Fannie with the ability to loan to people who obviously couldn't pay it back.

People also like to ignore 6 years in the middle of growth.
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You are correct in saying that the economy is not doing great. Usually when we have gone through bad times like a real bad recession the recovery is usually a strong recovery. History has proved this. A weak recession has proven a weak recovery.
Please provide proof. I'm not seeing that here:
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We are going on 4 years after a terrible recession and we still have high unemployment numbers. Food prices going through the roof, 46% increase in welfare and food stamp recipients and gas prices have increased by 107% in 4 years.
As for the last 8 years you cannot blame that on Bush.
I believe it was because of Clinton and his brainiac of an idea that every american should be able to own thier own home( even if they can't afford it).
By deregulating the mortgage industry was the begining, IMO
So were to blame Obama for everything that happened for the past 4 years, Bush is not to blame for anything, Clinton is to blame for what happened while Bush was in office. Got it.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #129
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Caused by a shitty housing market thanks to Nancy and Henry setting up Freddie and Fannie with the ability to loan to people who obviously couldn't pay it back.

People also like to ignore 6 years in the middle of growth.
I was talking about the one between Reagan and Clinton.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #130
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Yes Clinton signed it into law. But it was all layed out but the SR Bush. Clinton had to sign it into law as soon as he took office a lot like Obama had to do the bailouts.
ALL parties are guilty in the case of NAFTA. Both and bought in.

An example of the mind rot that occurs with career politicians who have no concept of how things really work and never made an honest dollar in business. After a few terms in office, it's all "consensus and compromise" and scratching backs so that yours get scratched in return.
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Current economic mess is the result of:

Housing debacle ( )
Lax oversight/rulemaking allowing weird derivative trading on markets ( )
Wild borrowing/deficit spending ( and )
$800B "Stimulus" / payoff to supporters/campaign contributors ( )

They're all guilty.

However, at this point we need an actual businessman - not a academic theoretician with euro-socialist aspirations.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #132
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Just admit it suck ! They've done more harm than good for this country.
Don't let the Reps take all the credit. Pres. Obama has done so much fiscal damage it's not even comparable. It's everybody and If we stopped pointing fingers at each other we might actually get our country turned around. But noooooo It has to be the other guys fault. <Facepalm>

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Even Regean made grave mistakes. He's the only decent republican since Teddy ! Old Ronnie deregulated the trucking industry so any dingbat could drive a truck. That's why there's so many bad truck drivers on the road.
So it's Ronald Regean's fault that people don't know how to drive a truck? Seriously?

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As a former driver, any retard can do it. As somebody whom regularly deals with drivers, any body can do it.

To draw lines in the sand over a label like republican or democrat is refuckingtarded. We need to focus on removing the corruption and the dummies.
X3. I do not want you to have my baby though.

Along the lines of the original topic, what does it say about Pres. Obama if Michigan doesn't vote for him? He would have to suck that much. I can only hope.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #133
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Caused by a shitty housing market thanks to Nancy and Henry setting up Freddie and Fannie with the ability to loan to people who obviously couldn't pay it back.

People also like to ignore 6 years in the middle of growth.
That really got started well before "Nancy and Henry" came to power. It actually started under Bush the first, and really got rolling under Clinton.

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In 1992, President George H.W. Bush signed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1992.[15] The Act amended the charter of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to reflect Congress' view that the GSEs "... have an affirmative obligation to facilitate the financing of affordable housing for low- and moderate-income families in a manner consistent with their overall public purposes, while maintaining a strong financial condition and a reasonable economic return;"[16] For the first time, the GSEs were required to meet "affordable housing goals" set annually by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and approved by Congress. The initial annual goal for low-income and moderate-income mortgage purchases for each GSE was 30% of the total number of dwelling units financed by mortgage purchases[17] and increased to 55% by 2007
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #134
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Caused by a shitty housing market thanks to Nancy and Henry setting up Freddie and Fannie with the ability to loan to people who obviously couldn't pay it back.

People also like to ignore 6 years in the middle of growth.
I don't believe the recession was caused by the housing market. A few years ago the housing market was strong, people were spending (and saving) money and the "analysts" kept insisting the market was gunna pop. Then the price of gas shot through the roof and people stopped spending and couldn't save, started defaulting on their mortgages and BAM! The market "popped" This happened under W. and he was no where to be found to keep the gas companies "his buddies" in check. Then a Rep congress (with some dum... I mean Dem help) started the bailouts. Which were some of the first bills Obama signed into law. As far as GM and Chrysler bailouts, they didn't need them, GM didn't anyway. Its called creative book keeping and the only reason Ford didn't get bailout money, is because Mr. Ford didn't want to loose his job which was a stipulation of receiving the money, other wise, Ford would have been right there with GM and Chrysler with their hands out. I say GM didn't need the money because they payed back most of what they received 5years ahead of schedule! If they were broke to start and the market hasn't improved that much, where did they get the money from?
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we need to get corruption of both sides and out of office. here is the facts about obama he failed for the last 4 years in office. he spent more than bush did in 8 years in the 4 year of obama in office. obama didnt cut spending. his adminstration runs on nothing but lies. there is no democrat party anymore they been over runned by socialist and communist people. obama policies are going to bankrupt america. here the solution to america get rid of the corruption going on by both parties and corrupted congress.
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Anybody who thinks that ONE person can pull us out of this mess is delusional.

If a president were to try to do some of the (politically) extreme things that are necessary both parties will fight him.


The system has become so self serving that it's likely that only a complete collapse can fix it, unfortunately history shows that when existing political systems collapse often something much worse rises to power.
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Anybody who thinks that ONE person can pull us out of this mess is delusional.

If a president were to try to do some of the (politically) extreme things that are necessary both parties will fight him.


The system has become so self serving that it's likely that only a complete collapse can fix it, unfortunately history shows that when existing political systems collapse often something much worse rises to power.
Sad but true.
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I'll be honest with you all. Both sides suck! Dems are crooks. But what politician isnt? Republicans are like catholic priests you just don't trust them espicially around young boys.
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I'll be honest with you all. Both sides suck! Dems are crooks. But what politician isnt? Republicans are like catholic priests you just don't trust them espicially around young boys.
It has nothing to do with party lines. It has everything to do with the individual crooks involved. I think the whole "party division" thing that is happening so the masses continue to not pay attention to whatever they are really up to.
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Like it or not America has a ruling class.

Obama for example- the more you look at his past, the less of an outsider he is.

You don't rise to power that fast without connections.

The dems are not going to back a candidate that has no political influence.

Why are there no viable third party candidates? Why do the ones that try always appear to be goofballs?

Because our ruling class has a good gig going and any outsider that tries to really affect change gets no cooperation, so he gets no results.

Look at the Levin brothers.

Do you know anyone that likes them? So how do they keep getting re-elected?
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