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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #21
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both side of the party have corruption but alot more corrupt than repubican. I would not vote for a party who will slander and run on lies to be in office. i go by facts. I am 100% conservative that doesnt mean i am republican like alot of people think. if anything i am for the tea party. cant wait for election time obama is going to get shove out of office.
There ya go. At least the Republicans are a bunch of rich guys that are not hiding it. The Democrats are a bunch of rich guys that try to make you think they give two shits about the lower and middle class beyond what it takes to get their votes.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #23
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I have yet to find anyone worthy of making $18-35 hr that isn't making that already...

This country is full of people that base what they think they should be making on what things cost, how long they have been in a job, and other personal needs. That's not how it should work...

Just because your cell phone bill is $200/month, you want a $400,000 house, and want a $50,000 SUV doesn't make your job of putting the screw in the hole worth $30/hr.

Employment and wages should be based off of ability, education of the job, and merit.

Most people I know that fit those categories are properly compensated and are not generally bitching about their pay rates...
Myself and about 10 co-workers are in that pay range working on a project that is partially funded through money from Obamaís stimulus package. Thank you.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #24
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I don't see Romney generating jobs that pay $18-35 hr. You don't get rich running a business by paying your employees that much and I'm sure all his friends would not like him if he makes jobs paying that much.
You don't get rich paying people $18-35 per hour doing jobs that you could pay someone $10 to do. You certainly could get rich paying people $18-35 to do jobs that require skills that are worth that.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:18 PM   #25
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energy jobs/railroads pay great about atleast $18 an hour. manufacturing use to be payed great not so much anymore most places pay $10 an hour i am pretty happy with my $12 an hour but i would love to have an opportunities to make $24 an hour and i would like to work my way up to that one day and not be handed it without earning it.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #26
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energy jobs/railroads pay great about atleast $18 an hour. manufacturing use to be payed great not so much anymore most places pay $10 an hour i am pretty happy with my $12 an hour but i would love to have an opportunities to make $24 an hour and i would like to work my way up to that one day and not be handed it without earning it.
The difference being that energy production and railroads canít be offshored like manufacturing can, so you not competing with people in other parts of the world for those jobs. The best bet for those types of jobs is just general increases in the economy. Whoever you think can make that happen.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #27
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Well no shit. Obama bought all those uaw jobs with our tax dollars.
This is what pisses me off. Obama is using my tax $ to buy votes. I don't support him so I want my $ back.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #28
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Obama has too many groups of voters locked up. Romney won't even come close.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:47 PM   #29
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This is what pisses me off. Obama is using my tax $ to buy votes. I don't support him so I want my $ back.
If Obama would not have helped out the auto companies your $ would be spent paying the folks calling Marvin. Then there would be no GM or Chrysler. Then what would all these jeep freaks buy? Toyota?
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #30
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What would the process have been if the auto companies did not get bailed out?

Would it have been bankruptcy followed by restructuring?
Would it have been bankruptcy follow selling of assets and being dissolved?
Would it have been a last minute purchase by some company to try and turn it around?

Really I have no idea what would have happened.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #31
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If Obama would not have helped out the auto companies your $ would be spent paying the folks calling Marvin. Then there would be no GM or Chrysler. Then what would all these jeep freaks buy? Toyota?
You sir are mistaken. GM and Chrysler could have went bankrupt without the government help and without tax payer dollars.
GM and Chrysler restructured after they went bankrupt and accepting the bailout money.
What happened to Delphi and the pensions that disappered after Obama decided to help?
Do you really think that these two giant automotives companies would have just disappeared?
You need to look elsewhere for your talking points besides MSNBC and the Ed Show.

I forgot to mention of the 1100 or so dealers that the government shut down. The government did no favors in forcing a bankruptcy

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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #32
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What would the process have been if the auto companies did not get bailed out?

Would it have been bankruptcy followed by restructuring?
Would it have been bankruptcy follow selling of assets and being dissolved?
Would it have been a last minute purchase by some company to try and turn it around?

Really I have no idea what would have happened.
All of the reports I have read tended to believe that it would have mainly been liquidation (Chapter 7) with some of the more valuable assets (the names like Cadillac or Jeep in particular) being bought up by foreign automakers.

There was apparently an effort by GM and Chrysler to get lenders and major bondholders to agree to some sort of reorganization but there were no takers - essentially leaving them with the choice between shutting down operations or allowing the federal government to step in.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #33
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Was just listening to 105.9 and they were encouraging young black men to vote. A lady called in (4:30pm) and her comment went something like this:

"I have a friend that lives in the project and she said she's not going to vote. I said 'your a fool girl if you don't vote. Do you think the are going to pay for you to live in the projects, or give you 800 food stamps a month so you can use 400 for food and sell the other 400 to cover your monthly payments on your camry'"

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Old September 7th, 2012, 05:31 PM   #34
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What would the process have been if the auto companies did not get bailed out?

Would it have been bankruptcy followed by restructuring?
Would it have been bankruptcy follow selling of assets and being dissolved?
Would it have been a last minute purchase by some company to try and turn it around?

Really I have no idea what would have happened.
Pain and suffering followed by reorganization and a change in business/financial policy by GM. Eventually GM would re-emerge a leaner, stronger company hungry to compete on the world market. Instead, we've just propped GM up for eventual acquisition by the chinese.

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If Obama would not have helped out the auto companies your $ would be spent paying the folks calling Marvin. Then there would be no GM or Chrysler. Then what would all these jeep freaks buy? Toyota?
Thank God the government bailed out Ford. There would be no Ford if Obama would not have helped out...
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Thank God the government bailed out Ford. There would be no Ford if Obama would not have helped out...
Dont act like Ford never borrowed any money from the Government. They took loans as well YEARS before GM or Chrysler, just not for such a dire need as possibly going under.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:40 PM   #37
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Thank God the government bailed out Ford. There would be no Ford if Obama would not have helped out...
Ford still does not bulid a car or truck worth owing.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #38
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All That needs to be said is are we any better off then we were in 2008?
Bin Laden is dead and gm is alive.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #39
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Ford still does not bulid a car or truck worth owing.
And GM does???

I think all the OEM's build products worth owning, and my point isn't to argue that tired argument. Even though the Dem's all say "GM is alive," they fail to mention they're not exactly performing in a stellar manner. There's tons of this in the media, so info's out there.

My point is...people need to stop believing the shit both sides spew out and taking it all in without any question/thought on their own. That's why we are where we are, because this country is full of a bunch of lazy mfer's who want a free ride.
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Ford still does not bulid a car or truck worth owing.
I'm not debating the quality of product, simply that a US auto company can flourish without Obama's bailout. Your previous post suggested that GM or Chrysler would not have survived without Obama; something that we have no way of knowing other than to compare to a control group that did not have Obama-aide and happened to survive just fine. It is a sound scientific design that concludes that survival is NOT dependent on Obama bailout.
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