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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:53 AM   #1
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Default 05 6.0L PowerJoke.. Is it worth it?

Was looking at a truck over the weekend.. It seems nice on the outside and under the hood. Should i put a Temp Checker(forgot the name of the deal) to see the Delta between oil temp in and out of the Oil cooler before i buy it?

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2005 Super Cab 4x4 6.0L Powerstroke Auto 113K miles. Asking $20k
Close by and Super Clean inside and out.

http://www.elderford.com/used/Ford/2...44c6de1074.htm
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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:07 AM   #2
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Scan Gauge II ???

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I didn't, lucky ??? had 136k . Been happy with it , now @ 168K.

Under load (pulling jeep/trailer 5-5.5k) 4-6 delta. Can get higher sometimes, 7-9 without load @ 75-80 mph. 15 they say is the evil number.

Think I would have if I were smarter then. Particularly since I was pretty priced in and set to invest into some 6.0.

2005 & up have front coils, better turning & ride. Further from 2003 the better.

I do run a tuner with digital gauges now SCT Live Wire

Could try and get a OASIS report on the VIN from Ford. Should be easy since its a Ford dealer .

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Old September 4th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #3
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I can run OASIS for you if you shoot me the vin. I think it would be worth it to know your delta number...worst case scenario it would give you a bargaining point. Check the coolant bottle cap for crusty junk blah blah blah I'm sure you've looked into 'em. My 2004 is supposed to be junker but still has factory head gaskets at 180k. Good luck!
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Get an OASIS for sure.

Why is the oil cooler being bad a deciding factor? The oil cooler fix isn't terrible and can be coupled with a few other mods to make it worth your while.

You need to check over the expensive things and get maintenance records, that will tell you what you need to know. HG's and injectors will make that oil cooler price look like radiator cap on a 79 ford pickup.

Personally, 20k is too much, unless it's absolutely beautiful and you care about that. These trucks seem way to problematic to pay good money for a pretty one.
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I was thinking maybe the previous owner ran it with the oil cooler plugged causing it to already warm the heads or do other internal damage. I got most of the OASIS report already(thanks 88fordman).

Detailed Vehicle Specification
VIN 1FTSW21P65EA14252
Vehicle Line T/F7 Market Derived Code F
Body Cab T/BC Ver. Series T/BD
Drive Type T/E
PLT CD A1 TRS CD T/BE ENG CD T/YB
Production Date 22-JUL-04 Warranty Start Date 01-FEB-05
Selling Dealer 18420M Selling Country USA

AWS Claim Key Trx Code Time In Service Labor Hours Dealership DIST (Miles) Repair Date Prefix Base Suffix Doc

Details 117145 2 0 2.7 DICK SMITH FORD, INC. 562 10-AUG-04 5C3Z
3504 AA 165860A

Customer Comments CUST STATES THERE IS A MOANING NOISE WHEN TURNING SEE BRUCE WHEN IN
Tech Comments 562 TEST DROVE NOISE AND VIBRATION IN STEERING WHEN AT OPERATING TEMP PURGED P S SYSTEM TEST DROVE NOISE STILL THERE PURGED SYSTEM AGAIN AND REROUTED P S LINES TEST DROVE NOISE STILL THERE CONTACTED HOTLINE REPLACED STEERING GEAR PER HOTLINE PURGED SYSTEM CHECKED CASTER CAMBER TOE ADJUSTED TOE TEST DROVE NOISE STILL PRESENT CALLED HOTLINE WAS TOLD DETROIT WORKING ON

Details 3167873 2 12 .5 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
8061 10-JAN-06 5C3Z 16720 VA 31801201
Customer Comments
Tech Comments

Details 3167872 2 12 .5 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO. 8061 10-JAN-06 6C3Z 2561203 DB 31801202
Customer Comments
Tech Comments

Details 3250485 59B01 12 .3 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
9015 23-JAN-06 * * * 31848302
Customer Comments RECALL CAMPAIGN 59B01 CUSTOMER ASSURANCE TEST DRIVE
Tech Comments CUSTOMER ASSURANCE TEST DRIVE PER RECALL CAMPIGAN

Details 3250486 05E15 12 1 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
9015 23-JAN-06 * * * 31848301
Customer Comments RECALL 05E15 EP SENSOR REPLACEMENT, ON BOARD DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM, AND ENGINE CONTROL MODULES RECALIBRATION
Tech Comments EXHAUST PRESSURE SENSOR REPLACEMENT AND RECALIBRATE CONTROL MODULES PER RECALL CAMPAIGN

Details 3250484 05B32 12 .2 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
9015 23-JAN-06 * * * 31848303
Customer Comments RECALL CAMPAIGN 05B32 DE GAS BOTTLE LABEL
Tech Comments INSTALL LABEL PER RECALL CAMPAIGN

Details 3975136 E84 14 .2 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
13329 13-MAR-06 5C3Z 9942528 DA 32043001
Customer Comments
Tech Comments

Details 4161164 E84 15 .6 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
14307 29-MAR-06 * 2820125 * 32103801
Customer Comments
Tech Comments

Details 7568101 E84 25 4.1 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
25360 12-FEB-07 3C3Z 6B898 AA 33903101
Customer Comments OIL LEAK AT REAR TOP OF ENGINE BOTH SIDES
Tech Comments NO ABNORMAL LEAKS FOUND AT THIS TIME. HAS SOME STAINS. ADDED OIL LEAK DYE. WILL CHECK NEXT WEEK. RECHECK. LEAKING AT HIGH PRESSURE OIL PUMP. REMOVE TURBO. REPLACED HIGH PRESSURE PUMP COVER SEALS. ROAD TEST. OK

Details 9004695 S07 35 2.5 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
35392 20-NOV-07 5C3Z 9F452 AA 35964901
Customer Comments LOST POWER, STARTED SMOKING AND CAN HEAR EXHAUST OUT INTAKE
Tech Comments 1 VERIFIED CONCERN. LOG ON IDS. PCM SELF TEST. CHECKED OASIS. REPLACED EGR VALVE PER TSB 07 21 09. RAN ROUGH AT COLD START REPROGRAM PER TSB 07 05 04. RETESTED AND ROAD TESTED

Seems kinda rough for only being up to 36k miles.
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I was thinking maybe the previous owner ran it with the oil cooler plugged causing it to already warm the heads or do other internal damage.
It would've starved the EGR cooler for coolant and burnt that out. If the cooler burst it would pour coolant into the exhaust just before the turbo. I've heard oil wont shear until like 250'.

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Details 7568101 E84 25 4.1 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
25360 12-FEB-07 3C3Z 6B898 AA 33903101
Customer Comments OIL LEAK AT REAR TOP OF ENGINE BOTH SIDES
Tech Comments NO ABNORMAL LEAKS FOUND AT THIS TIME. HAS SOME STAINS. ADDED OIL LEAK DYE. WILL CHECK NEXT WEEK. RECHECK. LEAKING AT HIGH PRESSURE OIL PUMP. REMOVE TURBO. REPLACED HIGH PRESSURE PUMP COVER SEALS. ROAD TEST. OK
Check it out for bedpan leaks. There are a few things back there that can leak but the bedpan will definitely be the most expensive. Also ask if they did the STC update while they were in the HPOP.

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Details 9004695 S07 35 2.5 KRAPOHL FORD & LINCOLN CO.
35392 20-NOV-07 5C3Z 9F452 AA 35964901
Customer Comments LOST POWER, STARTED SMOKING AND CAN HEAR EXHAUST OUT INTAKE
Tech Comments 1 VERIFIED CONCERN. LOG ON IDS. PCM SELF TEST. CHECKED OASIS. REPLACED EGR VALVE PER TSB 07 21 09. RAN ROUGH AT COLD START REPROGRAM PER TSB 07 05 04. RETESTED AND ROAD TESTED
This one seems a little odd. Lost power and started smoking, hearing exhaust in the intake and they just replaced the EGR valve? I don't know enough about that to offer anything else.


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Seems kinda rough for only being up to 36k miles.
Look up Krapohl's reputation as a 6 liter dealer. If you get mechanics that don't understand 6.0's and customers that don't care they can take you on a 6.0 joyride. Think about it, if your mechanic comes out and says "there's a problem with your 6 liter PSD", most people will say "no shit, fix it".

My truck had headgaskets replaced at 34k, both HEADS at 55k (are you fucking kidding me), every single solitary thing that has coolant replaced at least twice before 100k, i'm talking everything (WP, radiator, oil cooler, egr cooler, heater core, every hose, thermostat, degas bottle etc. etc.) Another headgasket before a 100k. All under the previous owner/s. I've since put 45k on and have done not much more than PM or mods because i wanted them. It looks like i had complete Oil cooler failure (which explains some of the coolant stuff) but i have to believe the owner was a complete moron or the dealer was. Don't get me wrong, some of that was justified, but i think my truck got taken for a ride quite a few times at the stealership.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #7
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I've put 17k problem free miles on my 6.0 since I purchased it 6 months ago.

I love that truck, I love the power.

Coolant filter + frequent oil changes = nom om om
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Check into doing a egr delete with a redesigned oil cooler, head studs, exhaust and SCT. I just did this to my 6.0 and its is a beast of a truck.
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FWIW, I absolutely LOVE my 05 6.0. Its got a 4" turbo back, EGR delele, cleaned turbo, new turbo drain and feed lines and coolant filter w/ elc coolant done at 80k. Also got a bully dog on it for watching temps. Nothing on the oasis other than a 4x4 vac leak when it was new. Bought it from a relative so I know the entire history.
Drove a 6.4 with a 10k trailer last week and would never trade my 6.0 for one. It seemed to ride a little better and had good power, but it was no 6.0.
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I have owned 3 6.0Ls and loved each one. If you know what to look for they can be a great truck for many years/miles.

Most important thing.....get rid of EGR COOLER/valve
2) Check for temp delta between OCT and ECT....no more then 15F difference at 60mph no load
3) Check for rough starts (indication of bad FICM, HPOP, or injectors)
4) Do a thorough Coolant flush to get out crappy ford coolant and install a coolant filter
5)Change fuel filters every 15k miles
6)Drive and Enjoy
7) I have never seen batteries to last more then 4 years on a 6.0l (always replace in pairs)
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If doing a egr delete you must keep the egr valve hooked up or it will have cooling fan issues since the egr valves plays a roll in telling the fan to come on. It does not have to be in the intalke manifold itself just still hooked up. Mine is bolted to the intake and it works fine.
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These trucks had major problems from day one. I still don't understand how/why ford ever put these 6.0 trucks on the road.
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If doing a egr delete you must keep the egr valve hooked up or it will have cooling fan issues since the egr valves plays a roll in telling the fan to come on. It does not have to be in the intalke manifold itself just still hooked up. Mine is bolted to the intake and it works fine.
I think it depends on your flash. I've only had my fan come on a half a dozen times in the past few years.

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These trucks had major problems from day one. I still don't understand how/why ford ever put these 6.0 trucks on the road.
From this logic i'm amazed they've ever made a Chrysler product.
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Haha exactly.
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If doing a egr delete you must keep the egr valve hooked up or it will have cooling fan issues since the egr valves plays a roll in telling the fan to come on. It does not have to be in the intalke manifold itself just still hooked up. Mine is bolted to the intake and it works fine.
Many of the programmers on the market also deal with the lack of an EGR, the DTC from it being gone and fan issue.
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