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Old September 2nd, 2012, 02:07 PM   #21
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That's OK, I still love you like that dipshit nephew that thinks he knows everything and hasn't yet realized he's an idiot.

So never mind that the reason the company was in fucked in the first place was that the founders took all the money and ran. Never mind that the company got further fucked while Romney was in charge. Never mind that the company was giving out fat bonuses to the executives while begging for debt forgiveness.

Romney did not do such an awesome job that the company didn't need a bailout. He drove it into the ground until a bailout was the only way to save it.
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Lets spell this out so I'm clear. We should hate Romney because, Mr. Smith owned a business, saw it was failing took his money and ran. Then, Mr. Smith's business partners saw they were loosing their asses so they hired Romney to come in and unfuck them financially. Really?

I would bet to guess that the business partners didn't say "Save all the jobs". They said,"Do what you have to do to make me rich, legally." So he did. Had the employees hired him and said "save the jobs, fuck the top guys" he would have. So be mad at the business partners and Mr. Smith, Romney was just doing his job.

That is why we NEED Romney right now. Government is big business. What's nice, and the difference is, is we have the ability to change the leaders of our business. We the people need to hire (elect) Romney to come in and unfuck this business and get it profitable (prosperous) again. Think of it as an employee owned business that is firing it's CEO that has ran it into the ground, and hiring Romney to run it. He has a proven track record of being very successful and completing what he is hired to do.

The job of the president isn't to go out at make the products to make the company (government) profitable. It's to get clients, keeps good management in place and keep the employees gainfully employed.
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A good example of why you shouldn't get financial advice from Rolling Stone.

Facts about the "bailout" :

1) Romney was a founder and leader of Bain Capital, a venture capital firm that spun off from Bain & Company in 1984.

2) In the 1985 - 1987 timeframe, the founders of Bain & Company (a group that does not include Romney) took a lot of money out of the company.

3) By 1990, Bain & Company was in bad shape financially - mostly due to the money the partners pulled out earlier. They brought Romney in to help - which he did because [a] Bain & Company failing would reflect badly on Bain Capital and [b] Bain & Company was heavily invested in Bain Capital, and liquidating their holding there would potentially harm Bain Capital. The deal that Romney made cost the Bain & Company founders about 50% of their stake.

4) Bain & Company owed a lot of money to a bank - that itself failed after making too many bad loans. The failed bank was sold off, and the new owner applied to the FDIC for relief on bad loans. Note here, that the Federal Deposit Insurance Company, or FDIC, operates without tax dollars - it's self-funded from premiums charged to banks. So the "bailout" that Romney supposed received was actually an insurance settlement paid to a bank (Fleet Financial) that bought a failed bank that was owed money by a company that invested in Romney's company.

So, Romney's "bailout" was an FDIC insurance claim (not taxpayer dollars) paid to a bank that Romney was not affiliated with to cover losses by a failed bank (that Romney was not affiliated with) that loaned money to a company that Romney used to be affiliated with - after he left said company.

This story didn't hold together when Gingrich brought it up earlier this year either.
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 10:45 PM   #23
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I love PeteC like a Uncle that I asked to touch me with I was 8, but some times his liberal fucktardedness astounded me, but it doesn't surprise me for some reason with Brewmenn.

This stuff is such bullshit. He worked for a company. His job, like every single one of ours, is to make the company money, and make their clients happy. If I under stand the point of Bain Capital, it was to go into companies, flush the shit out, and make the share holders money. In turn, his company was handsomely paid, and he received a paycheck. He did his job, and he did it well. He worked every fiscally responsible avenues, and succeeded?

What if he hadn't done what he had done. Would he have been fired? If he wasn't stellar, and shrewd in his actions would he be bankrupt on unemployment? Who knows. What people are missing is he had a job, he did it with excellence, and in turn, his company profited, therefore, he profited. He didn't do anything illegal. If he had, he'd be taking the cock in prison worse that AJ in a detention facility, because face it.. He's a pretty boy. He played within the confines of the system. Fucking Waaaaaaaaa. If any single one of us had been blessed with his business intelligence we would get air tight at a fag salami factory to get the pay he got.

If the executives at GM, Chrysler, banks, wallstreet and all of Bain Capitol's clients as well as Mitt Romney did there would be no need for bail outs. I see Mitt Romney's job as an "unfucker". He goes into companies, unfucks them and figures out, through all means possible how to make a company profitable.

The job of the president is to make America strong, fiscally independent and kick ass for it's citizens. We need Mitt Romney to UnFuck America.
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Piss on Romney. Look how his father did running the state. Like father like son. Just like the Bush family.
From what I've heard (because I wasn't really coherent at the time) I've heard that Romney Sr. was one of the best governors Michigan has had.

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Lets spell this out so I'm clear. We should hate Romney because, Mr. Smith owned a business, saw it was failing took his money and ran. Then, Mr. Smith's business partners saw they were loosing their asses so they hired Romney to come in and unfuck them financially. Really?

I would bet to guess that the business partners didn't say "Save all the jobs". They said,"Do what you have to do to make me rich, legally." So he did. Had the employees hired him and said "save the jobs, fuck the top guys" he would have. So be mad at the business partners and Mr. Smith, Romney was just doing his job.

That is why we NEED Romney right now. Government is big business. What's nice, and the difference is, is we have the ability to change the leaders of our business. We the people need to hire (elect) Romney to come in and unfuck this business and get it profitable (prosperous) again. Think of it as an employee owned business that is firing it's CEO that has ran it into the ground, and hiring Romney to run it. He has a proven track record of being very successful and completing what he is hired to do.

The job of the president isn't to go out at make the products to make the company (government) profitable. It's to get clients, keeps good management in place and keep the employees gainfully employed.
Spot on. Brilliant.

Also, just to throw this in there, He's Mormon, and we all know that Mormons do business very well. Heck, they do just about everything well. I know, because I'm a Christian that follows a similar work ethic, that when I work I work to glorify the creator of the universe. It doesn't matter if you believe in said creator or not. What you have to think about is the quality of work that comes from someone with that perspective. If you're working for the ultimate being who you believe gave us morals, life, and everything we have, you better believe it's going to be quality and they are going to go beyond thier best to make sure it's done in a legit, legal matter.
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Lets spell this out so I'm clear. We should hate Romney because, Mr. Smith owned a business, saw it was failing took his money and ran. Then, Mr. Smith's business partners saw they were loosing their asses so they hired Romney to come in and unfuck them financially. Really?

I would bet to guess that the business partners didn't say "Save all the jobs". They said,"Do what you have to do to make me rich, legally." So he did. Had the employees hired him and said "save the jobs, fuck the top guys" he would have. So be mad at the business partners and Mr. Smith, Romney was just doing his job.

That is why we NEED Romney right now. Government is big business. What's nice, and the difference is, is we have the ability to change the leaders of our business. We the people need to hire (elect) Romney to come in and unfuck this business and get it profitable (prosperous) again. Think of it as an employee owned business that is firing it's CEO that has ran it into the ground, and hiring Romney to run it. He has a proven track record of being very successful and completing what he is hired to do.

The job of the president isn't to go out at make the products to make the company (government) profitable. It's to get clients, keeps good management in place and keep the employees gainfully employed.
My problem with Romney is I have zero confidence that he will do whats right to "keep the employees gainfully employed" and every confidence that he will do everything he can to help keep his wealth contributors wealthy.
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My problem with Romney is I have zero confidence that he will do whats right to "keep the employees gainfully employed" and every confidence that he will do everything he can to help keep his wealth contributors wealthy.
I don't buy into that at all.

So, you would rather have a guy who we all know leans socialists and has dumped more debt on us than anyone in history over a guy who clearly has the skill set to bring us around simply because you don't trust him?????
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A good example of why you shouldn't get financial advice from Rolling Stone.

Facts about the "bailout" :

1) Romney was a founder and leader of Bain Capital, a venture capital firm that spun off from Bain & Company in 1984.

2) In the 1985 - 1987 timeframe, the founders of Bain & Company (a group that does not include Romney) took a lot of money out of the company.

3) By 1990, Bain & Company was in bad shape financially - mostly due to the money the partners pulled out earlier. They brought Romney in to help - which he did because [a] Bain & Company failing would reflect badly on Bain Capital and [b] Bain & Company was heavily invested in Bain Capital, and liquidating their holding there would potentially harm Bain Capital. The deal that Romney made cost the Bain & Company founders about 50% of their stake.

4) Bain & Company owed a lot of money to a bank - that itself failed after making too many bad loans. The failed bank was sold off, and the new owner applied to the FDIC for relief on bad loans. Note here, that the Federal Deposit Insurance Company, or FDIC, operates without tax dollars - it's self-funded from premiums charged to banks. So the "bailout" that Romney supposed received was actually an insurance settlement paid to a bank (Fleet Financial) that bought a failed bank that was owed money by a company that invested in Romney's company.

So, Romney's "bailout" was an FDIC insurance claim (not taxpayer dollars) paid to a bank that Romney was not affiliated with to cover losses by a failed bank (that Romney was not affiliated with) that loaned money to a company that Romney used to be affiliated with - after he left said company.

This story didn't hold together when Gingrich brought it up earlier this year either.
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My problem with Romney is I have zero confidence that he will do whats right to "keep the employees gainfully employed" and every confidence that he will do everything he can to help keep his wealth contributors wealthy.
Unlike Obama who's "quid pro quo" for campaign support is beyond transparent:

GM bailout that was specifically structured to benefit the UAW at the expense of salaried retirees and used Executive Orders to usurp contractual guarantees to unsubordinated bondholders (i.e. bondholders who accepted a lower interest rate in exchange for guaranteed payment - even in the event of bankruptcy). As a former GM salaried employee who lost tens of thousands in GM bonds from a stroke of Obie's pen that nullified a contractual agreement I know what I'm talking about here. These bonds were guaranteed to be paid ahead of everything except payroll.

GM bailout that required GM to fully fund retirement of Delphi UAW retirees - even though Delphi was and had been a separate firm for several years. There was no legal basis to make GM accountable for Delphi's obligations, other than payoff to the UAW. Note that Delphi salaried retirees were left to the government pension guarantee process at pennies on the dollar and nil health insurance, because they weren't identifiable as an Obama supporters/contributors.

The stimulus dollars thrown down the drain on Solyndra and other "green businesses" that had imaginary business models, but made large campaign contributions.

I tend to agree with something Ross Perot once said about wealth and political candidates - something to the effect of "I'm already really rich, so I've got little incentive to steal". Obama, Clinton, and Gore famously took office as well-off, but not particularly wealthy families (the Gores and Clintons both actually had little) who all became wealthy while in (and freshly out of) office.

Romney seems like a straight shooter - not particularly warm or charismatic, but honorable. Many of our best Presidents met that same description (Eisenhower, Truman)...
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I don't buy into that at all.

So, you would rather have a guy who we all know leans socialists and has dumped more debt on us than anyone in history over a guy who clearly has the skill set to bring us around simply because you don't trust him?????
Specifically, I was referencing Monkeybutts suggestion that Romney will feel that he is working for the voters rather than felling he is working for those that contributed the most to his campaign.

I do trust Romney. I believe he will do what he thinks is best for the country. But what he says he will do is further lower tax rates on the top income brackets because he thinks this will inspire the people in those tax brackets to somehow create jobs. But those tax rates are already near historic lows, and have been for most of the past decade. It hasnít worked. So why should I believe that making them lower still will suddenly cause jobs to appear?
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I love PeteC like a Uncle that I asked to touch me with I was 8, but some times his liberal fucktardedness astounded me, but it doesn't surprise me for some reason with Brewmenn.

This stuff is such bullshit. He worked for a company. His job, like every single one of ours, is to make the company money, and make their clients happy. If I under stand the point of Bain Capital, it was to go into companies, flush the shit out, and make the share holders money. In turn, his company was handsomely paid, and he received a paycheck. He did his job, and he did it well. He worked every fiscally responsible avenues, and succeeded?

What if he hadn't done what he had done. Would he have been fired? If he wasn't stellar, and shrewd in his actions would he be bankrupt on unemployment? Who knows. What people are missing is he had a job, he did it with excellence, and in turn, his company profited, therefore, he profited. He didn't do anything illegal. If he had, he'd be taking the cock in prison worse that AJ in a detention facility, because face it.. He's a pretty boy. He played within the confines of the system. Fucking Waaaaaaaaa. If any single one of us had been blessed with his business intelligence we would get air tight at a fag salami factory to get the pay he got.

If the executives at GM, Chrysler, banks, wallstreet and all of Bain Capitol's clients as well as Mitt Romney did there would be no need for bail outs. I see Mitt Romney's job as an "unfucker". He goes into companies, unfucks them and figures out, through all means possible how to make a company profitable.

The job of the president is to make America strong, fiscally independent and kick ass for it's citizens. We need Mitt Romney to UnFuck America.
Where the hell did you copy that from? I know you aren't smart enough to come up with that all on your own!

Well said dude.
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I'll admit that I don't know as much about politics as I probably should. But, when I see what direction smart, old guys like Jim and Pat that have done reasonably well for themselves are leaning I realize that my semi-educated reason is the right direction as well.

The people of this country need to spend way more time and effort in figuring out how they can better their personal situation instead of worrying about what "the man" is doing to hold them down or give "the rich man".
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I say give the unfuckerer a chance, what can it hurt and if he fails all you Obama lovers can say "I told you so". .... Maybe every 4 years we should rotate the parties like a well cooked pig so everyone can get a chance to let their favorite idiot ruin something

Sad part is the hope and change of the current admin has my unborn grandchildren holding a 550 credit score and already signing up for welfare .
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I say give the unfuckerer a chance, what can it hurt and if he fails all you Obama lovers can say "I told you so". .... Maybe every 4 years we should rotate the parties like a well cooked pig so everyone can get a chance to let their favorite idiot ruin something

Sad part is the hope and change of the current admin has my unborn grandchildren holding a 550 credit score and already signing up for welfare .
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While I agree with the end result of your statement, the reasoning is a problem. "Give him a chance" or "whats the worst he could do" is what got us to where we are now. That seems to be the path most people have now. Ride the fence, and vote with out making an educated decision is irresponsible. Get informed, read, pay attention and make an educated decision.

Before I take on a project at work I have to have a plan. My bosses approve of the course of action before they turn me loose. It's your responsibility to be the boss, figure out what your employee's (POTUS) plan is, the course of action to get there, and demanding a result.

Short story, I was at the SOS, and this woman came up trying to get signatures to block the Governor from building a bridge. I asked why. Her only answer was, "he wants to use your tax dollars to pay for ALL off it." She was so wrong it was painful. She almost had 30 people willing to sign. After a brief (10 min) explanation she had no answer for the lies she had been told. When the audience realized that her motivation was her paltry 7.45 per hour to get signatures which was ultimately being funded by Matty Mouron, and that she was assisting a monopoly that ultimately controlled international trade with Canada and Michigan and in a way our great nation. She had egg on her face. Because I was able to educated the people she wasn't able to gain ill-achieve signatures that she was driven to get by her being lied to.

Bring that to this. If you educated your self, you can also educated others. Knowledge is a powerful thing.
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Where the hell did you copy that from? I know you aren't smart enough to come up with that all on your own!

Well said dude.
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While I agree with the end result of your statement, the reasoning is a problem. "Give him a chance" or "whats the worst he could do" is what got us to where we are now. That seems to be the path most people have now. Ride the fence, and vote with out making an educated decision is irresponsible. Get informed, read, pay attention and make an educated decision.

Before I take on a project at work I have to have a plan. My bosses approve of the course of action before they turn me loose. It's your responsibility to be the boss, figure out what your employee's (POTUS) plan is, the course of action to get there, and demanding a result.

Short story, I was at the SOS, and this woman came up trying to get signatures to block the Governor from building a bridge. I asked why. Her only answer was, "he wants to use your tax dollars to pay for ALL off it." She was so wrong it was painful. She almost had 30 people willing to sign. After a brief (10 min) explanation she had no answer for the lies she had been told. When the audience realized that her motivation was her paltry 7.45 per hour to get signatures which was ultimately being funded by Matty Mouron, and that she was assisting a monopoly that ultimately controlled international trade with Canada and Michigan and in a way our great nation. She had egg on her face. Because I was able to educated the people she wasn't able to gain ill-achieve signatures that she was driven to get by her being lied to.

Bring that to this. If you educated your self, you can also educated others. Knowledge is a powerful thing.
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While I agree with the end result of your statement, the reasoning is a problem. "Give him a chance" or "whats the worst he could do" is what got us to where we are now. That seems to be the path most people have now. Ride the fence, and vote with out making an educated decision is irresponsible. Get informed, read, pay attention and make an educated decision.

Before I take on a project at work I have to have a plan. My bosses approve of the course of action before they turn me loose. It's your responsibility to be the boss, figure out what your employee's (POTUS) plan is, the course of action to get there, and demanding a result.

Short story, I was at the SOS, and this woman came up trying to get signatures to block the Governor from building a bridge. I asked why. Her only answer was, "he wants to use your tax dollars to pay for ALL off it." She was so wrong it was painful. She almost had 30 people willing to sign. After a brief (10 min) explanation she had no answer for the lies she had been told. When the audience realized that her motivation was her paltry 7.45 per hour to get signatures which was ultimately being funded by Matty Mouron, and that she was assisting a monopoly that ultimately controlled international trade with Canada and Michigan and in a way our great nation. She had egg on her face. Because I was able to educated the people she wasn't able to gain ill-achieve signatures that she was driven to get by her being lied to.

Bring that to this. If you educated your self, you can also educated others. Knowledge is a powerful thing.
I completely agree Monkey B and I am informed enough to make the decision and choose the unfuckerer, I am just shocked the "others" are so blinded by the BS that they are going to choose the existing and have our future so F'ed up it will take more that a super unfuckerer to get it back to a usable form.
What has amazed me lately is how many are supporting The "O" because someone else told them too ...just as you said they are not educated and thats what "O" preys on.
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I completely agree Monkey B and I am informed enough to make the decision and choose the unfuckerer, I am just shocked the "others" are so blinded by the BS that they are going to choose the existing and have our future so F'ed up it will take more that a super unfuckerer to get it back to a usable form.
What has amazed me lately is how many are supporting The "O" because someone else told them too ...just as you said they are not educated and thats what "O" preys on.
There's plenty of people on both sides just doing what their told.
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