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Old August 23rd, 2012, 01:51 PM   #21
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I went 2x on ifs, rear locker, 33's.....drove there, wheeled, drove home.....some of the best trips i have ever been on.
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What sucks here is, as i understand it, the trails are gone already. We will never get the tellico we knew back....its more a struggle to prove that what was done was wrong and set precedent for future fights. Do i understand correctly?
Yes and no. Yes to set a precedence, no, the trails are not gone. Overgrown, yes. Some like trail 1 have been improved but there are plenty of other places there to establish new trails. Trails only disappear when trees grow in. Trees can be cleared back.
In my mind it would be a complete betrayl if money has been collect all this time for the 'Rescue Tellico' if the goal wasn't to get it opened back up.
I will agree that it won't be the same Tellico but it will be Tellico.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 02:18 PM   #22
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Now I am really sad I never got the experience. Although my junk is just IFS locked front and rear on 33's. I do go until something goes boom though.

I hope they win, this is a place I could make a weekend of.
Here's a couple pics as an example of what its like there. Very scenic. Thats my toyota on its side on helicopter pad. Gordons jeep on its side on lower #2. We had days where we spend 10-12 hours on the trail, working very hard to get everything down the trails. Our group had Stan, Docbrad, Romey, Lowlock, Bigblocked, Swampjeep, Grandman, Kirby, Myself. Awesome place, these were october 2006.
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A couple more to show how nice the surrounding area is. This is the drive in:
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Tellico was awesome, especially in the rain. I lived in NC and was only a 2-3 hours away, awesome place to go for the weekend.
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Arguments have been entered. Judge said he would have ruling in 30 days. Here's hoping for a happy September 22nd.

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Should we plan a wheeling trip for the 23rd?
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 09:21 PM   #28
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Tellico was awesome, especially in the rain. I lived in NC and was only a 2-3 hours away, awesome place to go for the weekend.
I heard that was all the time. It rained pretty much every day I was there.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 09:29 PM   #29
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Arguments have been entered. Judge said he would have ruling in 30 days. Here's hoping for a happy September 22nd.

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- Hoping for the best. Looks like a beautiful place and if it did reopen it would be added to the top of my list of the next places to go visit.
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Should we plan a wheeling trip for the 23rd?
It will certainly be interesting to see what timeline USFS is given to reopen the trails. I suspect Southern will insist on a few weeks or maybe months to run trails and bring up to snuff all the water bars and drainage lines. The drainage was after all the whole issue that the USFS and D.U. hung their hat on for the closures. It will also be interesting to see if we win, just what stipulations the judge places on the facility. Just like the Mounds. the judge making the ruling has the ability to place all sorts of restrictions on it. If you remember the whole fiasco started when the USFS said they wanted to close it during the 'sensitive' time of the year, spring. But would reopen it once it was dried out.
They could do something as crazy as closing it if it starts to rain! Stranger things have occured when a singular entity, namely the judge, gets to make all the decisions.

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I heard that was all the time. It rained pretty much every day I was there.
It rained at night when we were there but was nice in the days. But as you could see in those old pics, everything was wet. Lots of big standing 'puddles' that were deep (and smelled awful), lots of slick wet clay, lots of very slick smooth wet grey rocks.
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We went from clear sky to heay rain to clear sky again. It certainly kept the dust down.
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This case being judged in favor of SFWDA and setting precedent would be nice. TU has been fighting to close down not only 4x4 trails all over the country but mountain bike trails too, they feel any non-foot mode of transportation is evil.

The worst part is much of their member base is completely clueless about what the group actually does with membership money and donations :/
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We went from clear sky to heay rain to clear sky again. It certainly kept the dust down.
We had no dust there, but in Harlan, we had the wipers on to clear dust off the windshields, and were blowing out air filters throughout the day due to the massing amounts of dust.
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seen this on pirate yesterday:

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Federal Court upholds Tellico ORV Area closure to protect brook trout
Filed under: Uncategorized — Karen Chavez @ 10:15 pm

A federal judge today upheld a decision to protect native brook trout in the Nantahala National Forest.

Below is the press release from the Southern Environmental Law Center:

Rejecting a challenge from ORV enthusiasts, a federal judge today upheld U.S. Forest Service and conservation groups’ efforts to protect the Tellico River watershed in the Nantahala National Forest, including streams critical to native brook trout, from pollution caused by excessive off-road vehicle use. Heavy usage of the Tellico ORV trails system damaged habitat in the Nantahala National Forest, so the Forest Service closed it as required by law and ORV enthusiasts subsequently sued.

The Southern Environmental Law Center intervened in the lawsuit to defend the Forest Service’s decision on behalf of Trout Unlimited, Wild South and Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.

Today’s court decision brings to a close a decade-long process that began when Trout Unlimited and other groups held annual meetings with the Forest Service and ORV enthusiasts about erosion from the Tellico ORV area. When years of discussion failed to prompt action, conservation groups threatened to sue the Forest Service in 2007 because muddy runoff from the ORV area was devastating one of the last, best strongholds for brook trout, a native species in decline in North Carolina and Tennessee. The Forest Service then initiated a thorough assessment of the watershed, ultimately concluding that the ORV trails could not be sustained in the highly-erodible soils near the Tellico River.

“Under the law, the Forest Service didn’t have the option of allowing ORVs on the Tellico trails to do more damage to forest streams and brook trout,” said DJ Gerken, senior attorney with the Southern Environmental Law Center. “The Court recognized this duty to protect the forest’s waters from pollution and upheld the agency’s decision.”

“The facts were clear – the Forest Service simply couldn’t maintain the trails to minimum standards,” said Michael “Squeak” Smith with the North Carolina Council of Trout Unlimited. “The Forest Service didn’t have the massive funding required to reconstruct eroded trails and maintain them permanently. Closure was the only affordable option to protect water quality.”

The Forest Service’s action will improve water quality in the Tellico River which flows from North Carolina to Tennessee. “I’ve fished in the Tellico River my whole life,” said George Lane, past council chair of the Tennessee Council of Trout Unlimited. “Now I look forward to many more years of fishing in streams spared by the Forest Service’s decision to close the ORV trails.”

ORV driving on public lands can cause significant damage when it is not adequately managed. In Tellico, intensive ORV use eroded many ORV trails into deep ditches, some more than seven feet deep.

“If agencies choose to make federal lands available for ORV driving, they have no choice but to spend the taxpayer dollars required to maintain them and prevent water quality problems,” said Barry Sulkin, director of the Tennessee office of PEER. “If they lack resources to do the job right, then they shouldn’t do it at all and the trails have to be closed. Tellico is an example of an agency stepping up to the plate and doing what the law required.”

Ben Prater, associate director of Wild South, agreed. “The National Forests are an important recreation resource,” said Prater, “but water quality must come first.”

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