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Old July 29th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #1
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what is a good buoyant material? I was thinking some sort of spray in foam would be best... I'm trying to add some buoyancy to my kayak so when I flip it and it fills with water it'll keep the lip above the water so i can pump it out. I thought about taking a couple of fun noodles and securing them along the inside edge. my other option was sealing off behind the seat and in front of the foot rests. to create air pockets but i see that being a PITA.

I honestly wish i had gone with a sit on but it's too late now..
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Old July 29th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #2
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It doesn't already have foam in it? Most I've seen won't sink no matter how hard you try. However, they all will fill with water somewhat without a skirt when you flip. You can still roll them over and climb in but it'll sit pretty low in the water. Still, it'll stay afloat though until you can get someplace where you can touch bottom to dump it out. If you are out further in the water where that will be an issue, then you need a skirt and you need to not flip.
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Old July 29th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #3
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Yea i've been thinking about getting the spray skirt.. the 2 times i flipped last time i got sideways the current tipped it enough and the water rushed in.
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Really, no matter what you do or how much buoyancy you have, water will get in the boat if you flip unless you have a skirt and can right yourself.

On the other hand, why are you flipping so much? We don't really have any water around here that is rough enough to cause that much issue. Are you kind of new to the whole kayaking thing? If thats all it is then relax. You'll get more comfortable soon enough and won't have the flipping issue.
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They make inflatable bags to place in the front of the kayak. Kind of pricey. I've flipped in plenty and have "rescued" others. Never had one of ours fill completely up,and sink.But did find a livery kayak sunk.
As far as calm water, I've been on lakes and had boaters try to rock,swamp us. So we go on lakes mostly when there's only a few boaters. Rivers by me will take you in.
I always wear my PFD. Kayak's can be replaced, me not so much.
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Really, no matter what you do or how much buoyancy you have, water will get in the boat if you flip unless you have a skirt and can right yourself.

On the other hand, why are you flipping so much? We don't really have any water around here that is rough enough to cause that much issue. Are you kind of new to the whole kayaking thing? If thats all it is then relax. You'll get more comfortable soon enough and won't have the flipping issue.
it flipped twice.. it was up north on the east jordan and yes I am new to it
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I went kayaking with a guy that said if you flip your don't belong on the river. Guess who went in a few minutes later.
He still kayaking.
This is only my 3rd year kayaking, went in 1st and 2nd this year is not over yet.My friend went in 2 times in one trip, he hasn't flipped in years, and has kayaked for many years.
If you ever come up by Cadillac, I'm always looking for people to kayak with.
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Everyone flips. It happens. It just happens less once you get more comfortable in the boat. lol
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be very careful about using spray in foam. Some kinds can absorb water over time. This can be VERY bad in your situation
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I never flip...EVER


I like the noodle idea though, if not try and find closed closed cell foam blocks
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everyone flips. It happens. It just happens less once you get more comfortable in the boat. Lol
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This is why you buy a boat with a bulkhead in it. and then learn how to paddle.
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not everyone flips...I know its hard to believe, but some people are just good at shit they do, right from the start
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Hard for me to believe, because I think I'm good. And Ive been with many experienced kayakers that believe it's possible for them to go in.
I started kayaking at 49 years old. First river trip was with church youth group. 2-3 hour paddle that took all day so the kids could play. My second river trip was the Boardman, through the Beitner rapids. I did not go in. That year in late October on the Pine I did go in, turned to look back ,check on others and hit a log jam. 40 degree's out. Last fall in November on a section of the Clam, that was not normally paddled( we found out why). My hat caught and some brush, twisting my glasses. My lenses flew out. I'm blind with out them. Before my eyes could focus I hit a log jam, rolled on side stepped out. I decided to continue the paddle with blurry vision. After portaging about 7 times and making it over about that many more blockages we finished. Many of the blockages were man made, pallet fences, fences and just post.
Stuff happen's. I don't have a charmed life. But that just makes it more interesting.
What fun would there be without the risk.
I just want it to happen when it's warm and the water is warm.
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I have never flipped, my wife has never flipped, you must not have good balance
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Going kayaking!

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If you use a spray foam be 1000% sure that it is a CLOSED CELL FOAM. You do not wanna use open cell foam or you will be F#&ked in the @$$ hard. The open cell foam is like a sponge when it get near water. If u have any more ?? pm me
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I've never flipped either.
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RONG!!! According to these guys everyone flips! I must have flipped in my sleep because I don't remember it
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If you use a spray foam be 1000% sure that it is a CLOSED CELL FOAM. You do not wanna use open cell foam or you will be F#&ked in the @$$ hard. The open cell foam is like a sponge when it get near water. If u have any more ?? pm me
Still not sure if this is a good idea. Have you done this? Does it insulate for cold water paddling, that's something I'd like.
Hey where was everybody today? Pine was beautiful. To early for good color, but rain raised river.
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