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Old July 24th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #21
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Kid raping is much worse, like a billion times worse, But pointing a gun at someone(if the allegations are true) is a fire-able offense, DUI and weed are not, but DUI and weed does show lack of discipline.
Brandishing does not mean he pointed a gun at anyone, it also doesn't mean he didn't point it, but you're making a terrible comparison alongside of an assumption.
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Brandishing does not mean he pointed a gun at anyone, it also doesn't mean he didn't point it, but you're making a terrible comparison alongside of an assumption.
I know brandishing doesnt mean pointing, the report I read was he pointed a guy at a group of people in a car. My point was a bad comparisons, but my point was getting rid of a player for DUI or pot is "bible thumping", punishing someone for pulling out a gun, regardless of whether they pointed it as someone is much more severe, and needs to be looked into.
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Fuck penn state it's clear that they cared too much about there football team and it's will to win and good name then little boys getting fucked in the butt.
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If it wasn't true, why would the BOD agree to sanctions with no ability to appeal? Kinda like self admission IMO.
Whether the Joe Paterno stuff is true or not I feel had no bearing on the BOD agreeing to the sanctions without the ability to appeal. Penn State is sitting in such a shit storm already for the stuff that we 100% know is true that they were going to happily accept any sanctions so long as they were not the death penalty.

On top of that Penn State is not going to want to do anything to make the public think more negative of them. Going against what the "media justice system" had claimed well before there was any evidence or what Freeh has said about Joe's involvement is a good way to make the pubic dislike the school even more.

Again i am not defending Penn State, What happened was wrong, I just think Joe Paterno has gotten raked over the coals thus far without sufficient evidence. I have read a good chunk of the report and am not impressed, much of it appears as opinion without solid evidence backing any of Joe Patern's alleged involvement in the cover-up.
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Kids were molested, raped and tarnished for life. It's very clear that people knew about it and ignored it. I don't give a rat's ass about Paterno's reputation as compared to the embarrassment that these kids, and now as grown adults have gone through.

Fuckem. It's a hard lesson but hopefully others will see how harsh it can be and never let it happen elsewhere.
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Kids were molested, raped and tarnished for life. It's very clear that people knew about it and ignored it. I don't give a rat's ass about Paterno's reputation as compared to the embarrassment that these kids, and now as grown adults have gone through.

Fuckem. It's a hard lesson but hopefully others will see how harsh it can be and never let it happen elsewhere.
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Kids were molested, raped and tarnished for life. It's very clear that people knew about it and ignored it. I don't give a rat's ass about Paterno's reputation as compared to the embarrassment that these kids, and now as grown adults have gone through.

Fuckem. It's a hard lesson but hopefully others will see how harsh it can be and never let it happen elsewhere.
So because kids were molested, raped and tarnished for life you feel it is okay to jump the gun and declare someone guilty until proven innocent? That is what essentially happened here. Freeh's report is a joke and if he is found guilty of what he is currently being investigated for then in my mind his report looses all credibility(it has next to none with me anyways).

My guess is Joe Paterno did know about what was going on, it would be tough for him to not of heard about it somehow with all the people who knew but it has not been made clear at all that he did know based on what the Freeh report says. All i am saying is that I do not care what the crime is, nobody should ever be guilty until proven innocent in this country. The findings of an investigation that was conducted very poorly, without set procedures in place to ensure accuracy(example, people interviewed were not under oath) that reads more like a mans opinion in many parts than a report should not be enough proof to the American people or the NCAA. If you were considered guilty essentially for something that you said you knew nothing about with these same means being used to determine your fate I think you would not feel like justice was served.

Joe Paterno's legacy being ruined is not a terrible concern of mine, I am more concerned with the fact that the American people feel it is okay to destroy a mans legacy without concrete proof.

For what it is worth I think all molesters and rapists deserve to die a slow miserable death, I just want to make sure they get the same chance to be innocent until proven guilty because sometimes mistakes are made and the wrong person is blamed.
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Kids were molested, raped and tarnished for life. It's very clear that people knew about it and ignored it. I don't give a rat's ass about Paterno's reputation as compared to the embarrassment that these kids, and now as grown adults have gone through.

Fuckem. It's a hard lesson but hopefully others will see how harsh it can be and never let it happen elsewhere.
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Sandusky was found guilty. That's a fact that's done and over with.
It happened on school grounds. That's a fact.
One of the other staff members testified that he told Paterno. That's a fact.
The school chose to pull down Paterno's statue. That's a fact.
The school agreed to sanctions with no appeal. That's a fact.
Paterno stepped down before he wanted to. That's a fact.
What part of this says anyone is innocent?

I fully agree that someone is innocent until proven guilty. But Sandusky already was proven guilty and all parties that are way closer to it than any of us are not disputing it.
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Tctrojan you're again proving just how fucktarded you really are.
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Tctrojan you're again proving just how fucktarded you really are.
Yes, because i do not agree with you.

Whiterhino, what you said is valid, but it was not any of those reasons that people and the media have been saying he knew about it. Once the Freeh report came out is when people were saying that is 100% proof that he knew, when the report is honestly a joke during parts of it. I have read almost the entire thing, so until you guys have I do not see how you can make an accurate assumption on what I am saying. I have read junior high research papers that were done better, based on what i have read Freeh clearly is biased.

As i stated earlier Penn State is not going to argue anything because they know they should of gotten a worse punishment and they will gladly tear down whatever they need to so they can try and appease the public whether or not they think Joe Paterno knew or not. The public and media would frenzy over this making a bad situation even worse. On top of that many of the people interviewed had reasons to lie.

Once again I do think Paterno more than likely knew about this and should be punished but even whiterhino feels that one person testifying(his word against a dead mans) and a couple of events taking place that could easily be explained away by media and public outcry is proof enough to say someone is guilty of something. If this had not been a case of child molestation then you can bet your ass things would of happened in a more just manner. If you or someone you know was deemed guilty in a similar manner your telling me you would feel that they were given a fair chance?

Instead of puling a Kickstand and following the herd, try and look at this without any bias that you have due to the media or just from the nature of the crimes. It is easy to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent when a crime of this magnitude happens.
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Yes, because i do not agree with you.

Whiterhino, what you said is valid, but it was not any of those reasons that people and the media have been saying he knew about it. Once the Freeh report came out is when people were saying that is 100% proof that he knew, when the report is honestly a joke during parts of it. I have read almost the entire thing, so until you guys have I do not see how you can make an accurate assumption on what I am saying. I have read junior high research papers that were done better, based on what i have read Freeh clearly is biased.

As i stated earlier Penn State is not going to argue anything because they know they should of gotten a worse punishment and they will gladly tear down whatever they need to so they can try and appease the public whether or not they think Joe Paterno knew or not. The public and media would frenzy over this making a bad situation even worse. On top of that many of the people interviewed had reasons to lie.

Once again I do think Paterno more than likely knew about this and should be punished but even whiterhino feels that one person testifying(his word against a dead mans) and a couple of events taking place that could easily be explained away by media and public outcry is proof enough to say someone is guilty of something. If this had not been a case of child molestation then you can bet your ass things would of happened in a more just manner. If you or someone you know was deemed guilty in a similar manner your telling me you would feel that they were given a fair chance?

Instead of puling a Kickstand and following the herd, try and look at this without any bias that you have due to the media or just from the nature of the crimes. It is easy to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent when a crime of this magnitude happens.
ding ding ding well there ya go. End of story.
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Sandusky was found guilty. That's a fact that's done and over with.
It happened on school grounds. That's a fact.

Shows no proof that Paterno would know because of this. That is like saying you are guilty of aiding a convicted murderer because he was your friend and neighbor and because he murdered someone inside the area of your neighborhood.


One of the other staff members testified that he told Paterno. That's a fact.
His word against a dead mans, sure it is more than likely true but one persons word should not trump another mans word because the media says so

The school chose to pull down Paterno's statue. That's a fact.
The school agreed to sanctions with no appeal. That's a fact.
Paterno stepped down before he wanted to. That's a fact.

All could be explained away by people reacting to the Media shit storm the ensued and as far as him stepping down it was no secret he had heath issues and all of this could of just been too much for him

What part of this says anyone is innocent?

I fully agree that someone is innocent until proven guilty. But Sandusky already was proven guilty and all parties that are way closer to it than any of us are not disputing it.
I do not have the energy to argue this anymore, Read the Freeh report and look at this purely from a justice stand point without bias due to the actual crimes in question and I think you will agree that Paterno was not given the right to be innocent until proven guilty.

Also again, why does the public not get this upset over all the children that the Catholic church has emotionally damaged due to molestation, and the fact that a man who has helped cover it up is still so highly regarded (pope).
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ding ding ding well there ya go. End of story.
Due to Jerry Sandusky's actions. How does the fact that they deserved the death penalty over Jerry Sandusky's actions automatically incriminate others?
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tctrojan knows more than the Freeh Report.

Yeah.....he also bangs super models and turned down a full ride academic scholarship to University of Chicago.
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why does the public not get this upset over all the children that the Catholic church has emotionally damaged due to molestation, and the fact that a man who has helped cover it up is still so highly regarded (pope).
I'm not MORE upset. I'd like to see any child molester go down in flames and anyone who knew about it/ hid it be severly punished.

Regarding Paterno, it happened under his watch. Anyone in any form of supervisions knows that they have to take responsibility for things that happened under their watch.
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The Freeh report corrects its errors:

# The original Freeh report states that Curley met with Sandusky in 1998, after campus police and state child welfare authorities launched an investigation that resulted in no criminal charges. Today's correction notes that that meeting actually took place in 2001.
# In two different instances, the original report cites an email from Wendell Courtney, the university's lawyer, to Schultz, in which it says Schultz wrote, "I was never aware that ‘Penn State police investigated inappropriate touching in a shower' in 1998." Today's correction says it was Courtney, not Schultz, who made that comment.

But tctrojan knows more than the Freeh report. It is a joke of a report and he would be more qualified to conduct this investigation and report out. He has access to a crack team of middle school kids that would shine in writing a report of this magnitude.
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It appears tctrojan turned down the opportunity to lead the Freeh report.
It appears he was too busy banging Kate Upton and teaching Justin Verlander how to throw a fastball.
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tctrojan was going to win a double Iron man triathlon this week, but decided he was going to bank the newly single Katie Holmes instead.

Next week he plans to do some research for his (soon to be) Nobel prize winning theory in physics. That is unless Gisele calls him for a weekend away from Tom Brady.
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Due to Jerry Sandusky's actions. How does the fact that they deserved the death penalty over Jerry Sandusky's actions automatically incriminate others?
Email trail. From the synopsis I read, there were emails to and from Paterno talking about the incident looking for updates.

Not dissimilar to how Kwame went down with the texts, or Ford got its ass burnt on the pinto with the letter from the engineer talking about the problem. Just another form of technology to get your ass burnt.

Sorry Joepa and the BOD at State Penn, you knew and felt that getting the most wins in collegiate history was more important than protecting children from a predator.
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