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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #41
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Can someone show me a case when OC caused the criminal to shoot that person and then continue on with the intended crime. Thus must happen every day in states that only allow OC. I would also bet that thousands of people who CC get shot when they print too. I see people OC and CC everyday.once I notice they are armed nothing about how I go about my business changes. Trailrail if the guy looks like a "weirdo" what difference does it make if he is armed? If someone is suspicious you should always keep yourself in a spot which benifits you in a bad situation. Let me guess you sit with your back to the door at restaurants too. I'm not saying OC doesn't cause a stir, and I too think many times its for show.

Well, by your theory it'll never happen. I guess we can all more along now huh?

Here is my theory. I wish nobody would open carry. I wish every gun owner out there would go about their business quietly and gun ownership would be the most well kept secret in US history. Then those that hate guns would forget about us and leave us all the hell alone. This seems like it would go much further than blatently showing them off.

Of course, this is an impossiblity. However, I do believe if us gunowners do our business quietly instead of drawing attention we are likely to make it much further. Basically, getting any of the current gun laws to go away isn't likely to happen, but new laws popping up is likely to happen if there are still the hippies cry babies that are scared of them worrying about them non stop. If they don't see them often, or at all, then they are likely to take their time and use it for something else such as basketweaving. Sure, they may believe that they have won and saved all of humanity if they don't see guns, but who cares what they think when we are all able to carry our weapons / shoot our weapons / own our weapons/ without them knowing.

Lastly, there are far too many people that believe the gun alone is somehow what will keep them safe and their family safe and as one alluded to, random others safe. That simply isn't true, and you're naive if you believe this. Guns are the last resort and always will be. Open carry or not, but their needs to be more education to those doing so. How about having dinners to draw attention, you open carrier groups have open meetings for anyone to attend to learn about the issue, and more importantly teaching those that already do carry all the laws involved. Another good topic would be actual use of the weapon, such as shooting in public places / when you legally could actually use the weapon / when you can draw the weapon / etc?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #42
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have you never been to an OC event? those things are talked about often. ive been to probably 2 or 3 dozen events over the past few years and 2/3 of them talk about shooting and drawing and all that.

open carry is popular...guess what? gun laws in michigan arent being made more strict...in fact they are being lessened! and guess who the main advocates pushing for the laws to be less restricted are? open carriers.

the "holier than thou" conceal only asshats are whats wrong with the carry movement in general, too afraid to stand up for they're RIGHTS just in a hope that the .gov wont restrict the legal PRIVILEGE to conceal carry anymore, being nice little boys and girls and too concerned with jumping at the scraps being thrown from the table when they have the ability and RIGHT to sit at the table with everybody else. carrying lawfully and safe, whether openly or concealed, handgun or long gun, city or country is nothing to be ashamed of, though the CC only elitists seem to think so.

not saying that if you dont wish to open carry that you are an elitist asshat that is ruining the carry movement, im saying that those that ridicule another form of lawful carry because it has the very low chance of making politicians and soccer moms uncomfortable do. if your one of those people you might as well take your gun to a buyback program, cut your cpl up in a blender, shove your thumb up your ass and sit in a corner crying for the cops to hurry up if you ever are victimized.

and remember, carrying concealed in michigan is a privilege, open carry is a constitutionally protected right according to a recent(that is, this year!) michigan supreme court ruling.

if you want your rights to stop being trampled on, stop hiding them under shirts, in the closet and behind political correctness, show the public that gun carriers are good guys and that somebody they know for a fact has a gun probably is not a criminal. and if for some reason the politicians keep trying to restrict things they should not, remind them of what caused the american revolution.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #43
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I have not been to an event nor do I want to attend. You say 2/3 of "them" talk about it. Does this mean conversations amongst people, or actual presentations by people who actually know what they are talking about?

As for everything else, I don't buy it. You all go on and on about your rights and CC people hiding their weapons. It's about not drawing attention to the issue. A gun is a tool for fighting (at least that's what we're discussing in this situation). Nobody is hiding it because of fear. It's being hidden for the tactical advantage. Its about blending in with the environment.

As for the laws, the anti-gun people want stricter laws. They want to eliminate all guns. Dangling them in front of them only makes them work harder to accomplish that goal. Why dangle a hunk of meat in front of the lion that is about to bite you?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #44
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have you never been to an OC event? those things are talked about often. ive been to probably 2 or 3 dozen events over the past few years and 2/3 of them talk about shooting and drawing and all that.

open carry is popular...guess what? gun laws in michigan arent being made more strict...in fact they are being lessened! and guess who the main advocates pushing for the laws to be less restricted are? open carriers.

the "holier than thou" conceal only asshats are whats wrong with the carry movement in general, too afraid to stand up for they're RIGHTS just in a hope that the .gov wont restrict the legal PRIVILEGE to conceal carry anymore, being nice little boys and girls and too concerned with jumping at the scraps being thrown from the table when they have the ability and RIGHT to sit at the table with everybody else. carrying lawfully and safe, whether openly or concealed, handgun or long gun, city or country is nothing to be ashamed of, though the CC only elitists seem to think so.

not saying that if you dont wish to open carry that you are an elitist asshat that is ruining the carry movement, im saying that those that ridicule another form of lawful carry because it has the very low chance of making politicians and soccer moms uncomfortable do. if your one of those people you might as well take your gun to a buyback program, cut your cpl up in a blender, shove your thumb up your ass and sit in a corner crying for the cops to hurry up if you ever are victimized.

and remember, carrying concealed in michigan is a privilege, open carry is a constitutionally protected right according to a recent(that is, this year!) michigan supreme court ruling.if you want your rights to stop being trampled on, stop hiding them under shirts, in the closet and behind political correctness, show the public that gun carriers are good guys and that somebody they know for a fact has a gun probably is not a criminal. and if for some reason the politicians keep trying to restrict things they should not, remind them of what caused the american revolution.

Privilege ha! Constitutionally protected double ha! You understand that protected right as you would say can be amended right? You should do yourself a favor and just cut your guns in half and throw all your ammo in a fire. I would say throw your CCW permit in the blender but I bet you don't have one because you can't get one
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Old July 17th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #45
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #48
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Old July 18th, 2012, 02:22 PM   #49
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Privilege ha! Constitutionally protected double ha! You understand that protected right as you would say can be amended right? You should do yourself a favor and just cut your guns in half and throw all your ammo in a fire. I would say throw your CCW permit in the blender but I bet you don't have one because you can't get one
requires a class and to pay a fee= privilege.

every man has the right to keep and bear arms for defense of himself and the state(article 1 section 6 MI constitution)

heller....concealed weapons may be restricted or banned, openly carried is constitutionally protected

People V. Yanna, June 2012 ruled that openly carrying of arms is a protected right whereas concealed is a privilege.

it would take a majority vote by michigan citizens to redo our constitution, which even most anti's are against since it would open up the ability to restrict everything enumerated in the constitution.(michigan constitution that is.)

2nd amendment has been covered nationally by mcdonald and heller decisions, it would take alot to go around those.

done pissing all over yourself or do you have anything factual to back up your argument?
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requires a class and to pay a fee= privilege.

every man has the right to keep and bear arms for defense of himself and the state(article 1 section 6 MI constitution)

heller....concealed weapons may be restricted or banned, openly carried is constitutionally protected

People V. Yanna, June 2012 ruled that openly carrying of arms is a protected right whereas concealed is a privilege.

it would take a majority vote by michigan citizens to redo our constitution, which even most anti's are against since it would open up the ability to restrict everything enumerated in the constitution.(michigan constitution that is.)

2nd amendment has been covered nationally by mcdonald and heller decisions, it would take alot to go around those.

done pissing all over yourself or do you have anything factual to back up your argument?
yes 18th Amendment and the 19th Amendment are two Amendments that have be ratified within the last 100yrs...so what makes you think it can't happen again? Also maybe you should ask the Commiefornia how their open carry thing is working out for them
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Oz, why did you say they need to talk about drawing and laws ect. If you haven't been to a meeting/dinner? It is sad to see "gun enthusiast " who bash a organized pro-gun group. This is why we are in trouble. Your opinions make sense and have even made me think about the topic more. But come the Fu k on! Bashing a pro-gun group.... wow
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Oz, why did you say they need to talk about drawing and laws ect. If you haven't been to a meeting/dinner? It is sad to see "gun enthusiast " who bash a organized pro-gun group. This is why we are in trouble. Your opinions make sense and have even made me think about the topic more. But come the Fu k on! Bashing a pro-gun group.... wow
A "dinner" doesn't make one think of it as training. It then followed up with a question but noone has answered it.

Regarding bashing them, it is what it is. Dummies will be dummies, as proven by all the tards that have already drawn negative attention to your "cause".
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A "dinner" doesn't make one think of it as training. It then followed up with a question but noone has answered it.

Regarding bashing them, it is what it is. Dummies will be dummies, as proven by all the tards that have already drawn negative attention to your "cause".
These fools don't know you...they should have said all you can eat cheese burgers and you would have been all over that like stink on shit. Instead they all want to wear their guns around and eat corn dogs, commenting on how their guns really tie their outfits together. These people are fruit loops ozzy, don't even give them a second thought
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These fools don't know you...they should have said all you can eat cheese burgers and you would have been all over that like stink on shit. Instead they all want to wear their guns around and eat corn dogs, commenting on how their guns really tie their outfits together. These people are fruit loops ozzy, don't even give them a second thought
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Wow, this thread really went to shit. I expected people to be more civil in the firearms forum - I mean we should ALL be pro 2nd Amendment, no? Stupid expectations...
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Wow, this thread really went to shit. I expected people to be more civil in the firearms forum - I mean we should ALL be pro 2nd Amendment, no? Stupid expectations...
We are. Not one person in this thread has stated guns should be banned. What we are against are the whack jobs out there that do not use good discretion. Fighting for your right to carrying an AK47 around in Wallmart or Ponderosa = wack job. If you go to these meetings and you don't see anything wrong strapping a ground to air missil launcher on you hip and making unannounced publicity appearences at the local day cares, you are the wack job in the group.
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we are. Not one person in this thread has stated guns should be banned. What we are against are the whack jobs out there that do not use good discretion. Fighting for your right to carrying an ak47 around in wallmart or ponderosa = wack job. If you go to these meetings and you don't see anything wrong strapping a ground to air missil launcher on you hip and making unannounced publicity appearences at the local day cares, you are the wack job in the group.
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I know a guy who will never be allowed to cc but does anyway because he thinks he's a tough guy. Pulled his gun on a 14 year old skater for simply going threw his parking lot. So ya there's the douche who ruins it for the rest of us.

I also bought car parts from a guy in Jackson a few times then took a buddy to buy a $1200 Trans from him. Upon greeting us I notice his pistol on his hip, didn't phase me. A he turned away myhe's buddy is all "dude he's got a gun". I asked him if he planned on coming back uninvited? He respond "no" and I said so it worked then didn't it? He had never had his gun any other time id been there (that I know of) but the message was clear and I just kinda laughed. I personally do the same thing when I have people over fora sale that I don't know.

So there is a place and time for everything, is up to you to make the right call. Personally I'm all for my right to choose what I do with my life.
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