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Old July 10th, 2012, 07:04 AM   #141
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I would like to step up and help when I can. I am not ready to jump for president of an organization this large. I have looked into join a local club as well but my area is not near anything local, <1hr drive. I am friends with Darrin Buss from Golden Triangle on a personal level and he said the club is pretty much four guys that get pizza once a month or every other. Jackson Stump Jumpers went out a while ago according my dad.

This young blood that everyone is looking for is going to be harder and harder to find. My generation (21yrs.) is less and less interested in even seeing the light of day with video games ruling their lives. This sport IS EXPENSIVE. My generation is getting through college and starting to settle into life and getting their feet on the ground. This sport is disposable income.

I have areas by me that have been restricted, not closed but restricted. They will let your drive back into the area but you have to get the combination for the lock from Pinckney Rec. and they will turn you away if you look like you are going to destroy the land instead of just fishing the lakes the trails get you to.

I enjoy trail riding with the truck and also when I ride the dual sport events that use the same seasonal/forest roads. I still enjoy parks but some times want a casual drive.
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The younger generation probably doesn't give a shit because of the cold shoulder they got years ago from the older generation.
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I'm going to go with the fact that the younger generation hasn't been able to rely on the .gov for shit so far, and has little faith in being able to rely on it period. Combine that with the Boomers extending their careers(younger professional unemployment #'s) and eventually sucking social security dry...........well the picture isn't pretty.

I run private parks because I don't have to wait 10+ yrs to wheel anything worth a shit. If I handed $100K to any of the current private parks and a .gov area, the .gov area would exhaust the money "planning" while the private park would have a new course/trail/ect within a couple months.


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As a non-wheeler......my observation:
The younger generation just wants others to do it for them.
They (and I am still only 36) seem to have this ridiculous sense of entitlement.

It blows me away.

My assumption...very few people will volunteer.
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The masses will bitch when the public land goes away.
Yup, Dave is right on, I've been away the last week and just seen this thread, haven't read all of it yet, but these 3 stand out, showing the problem, with explanation, the younger generation want everything done for them, and if it isn't going the way they want, well, it's someone else's fault.

Also the younger gen needs to learn that they need to earn respect, the cold shoulder, if it was even given, was probably due to that same entitlement attitude by said younger gen.

Stepping up would be a good way to earn some respect.
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Yup, Dave is right on, I've been away the last week and just seen this thread, haven't read all of it yet, but these 3 stand out, showing the problem, with explanation, the younger generation want everything done for them, and if it isn't going the way they want, well, it's someone else's fault. I can't deny this any, it seems to be the ever growing trend.

Also the younger gen needs to learn that they need to earn respect, the cold shoulder, if it was even given, was probably due to that same entitlement attitude by said younger gen. What about being that younger man and receiving the shoulder because some one you have never meet feels entitled to your respect, while giving none in return? Just playing devils advocate.

Stepping up would be a good way to earn some respect.
It is not only the younger generation that has an entitlement issue, it is more prevalent on more issues. I know several people in the older generations that demand my respect while showing me none because of my age. This "cold shoulder" be it real or not should not be given to anyone that is new to the sport and trying to step up.

I personally show everyone the same level of respect when I first meet anyone. From then on it is your actions and attitude that determine if you gain or lose more respect.

This sport is dying and needs to welcome any and all responsible wheelers.

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Yup, Dave is right on, I've been away the last week and just seen this thread, haven't read all of it yet, but these 3 stand out, showing the problem, with explanation, the younger generation want everything done for them, and if it isn't going the way they want, well, it's someone else's fault.

Also the younger gen needs to learn that they need to earn respect, the cold shoulder, if it was even given, was probably due to that same entitlement attitude by said younger gen.

Stepping up would be a good way to earn some respect.
You must have missed the rest of the conversation. Doing shit the same way and expecting a different result.........well there's a term for that.
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You must have missed the rest of the conversation. Doing shit the same way and expecting a different result.........well there's a term for that.
you must have missed where I said I didn't get to read the whole thing yet...

doing the same thing? I believe you are refering to this:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I believe it is implied this is about doing the same thing with all conditions the same,

It's been stated how GLFWDA is not the same as it used to be, and hopefully with so many mentioning being snubbed, that they will be more mindful to not do it again. I was also one who also was in the "snubbed" category (Swamp Stompers member from the beginning with Killer"B" and still am), but I see how different the organization is, and I see what they have done for the state's trails, and I also see that without working together we will be the ones to lose out (and our children).
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OK guys, enough with the gay, off color talk.......... PLEASE.

In my opinion, GLFWDA has made many mistakes and "possibly" is still making them. And I know on a personal level that I have made some real gaffs. I'm not making excuses or asking for anyone to just write it off, but we are all human, and last I checked everyone has a full time job and is trying to fit this in as a volunteer.

With all that said and all the previous comments taken seriously, we are still the only organization in the state that is making an effort on behalf of the full size users. So, if you and I want to see our state (and federal) land kept available to us, we have to do something about it.

This thread was started in an effort to ask people to maybe take a second (or third) look at it and see if it is something you are willing to help out with. Can you make a difference? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if anyone can make a difference but if we don't try, we will never know.

Do I understand that some of you have felt snubbed? You bet! I do too, by the very people I nominated and/or voted for. Sometimes a person gets so wrapped up in what they are doing that they become defensive if someone questions their thought process and motives. I know I felt that way during the OSTC efforts. I had met with people, covered all the bases (I thought) and when someone took a different viewpoint on it, I got defensive. Flat out....... I was wrong and I insulted a couple people. It was not intentional but it happened. Sometimes it's important to get a little thick skinned and realize this guy you are having problems with is just the average joe trying to fight an uphill battle and at times is just as frustrated as you are.

Bottom line, at the end of the day, we need to be a team. It's worth going back to my analogy of our military. At a local level, they may be yanks, rebs, different ethnics, root for different college or pro teams, democrat or republican, but when they lock arms for the United States, they are the strongest military in the world.

That needs to be us for our land use.
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and if it isn't going the way they want, well, it's someone else's fault.
Kinda like blaming the young genration for the lack of future in the association. Weird.

This young vs old talk is BS. If your living breathing and enjoy Michigan wheeling(on any level) you should be involved.

Trail closures don't give a rats ass what generation they are up against. Instead of debating young vs old we should be uniting as one.
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I think until we remove "those in power" from power, we are just putting a bandaid on the situation.

You have those in authority of our public lands that absolutely believe we are the destruction of those lands. I'm not sure you can change their minds, (although I commend you for trying) because it is not in their best interest to do so with the current public opinion.

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I think until we remove "those in power" from power, we are just putting a bandaid on the situation.

You have those in authority of our public lands that absolutely believe we are the destruction of those lands. I'm not sure you can change their minds, (although I commend you for trying) because it is not in their best interest to do so with the current public opinion.

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Fuck it...just quit.
My saying is: "if something is hard, just quit."
Continue to push on that square stone, it's effective right?
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The number of glfwda members is low compared to the number of members on this site. We all need to stand together and fight to keep our trails open.
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Continue to push on that square stone, it's effective right?
I have ZERO idea what you mean by this.

I find it ridiculous that people with the SAME FUCKING interests cannot get along and have to disagree and name call on something as straight forward as "help the sport".

Let me regale you with a story here........
About 5,6,7 years ago there was a group I was tight with in the wheeling community that did not always see eye to eye with White Rhino and his crew. So, we set up a meeting one night at a Ruby Tuesdays, had a beer or 2 and talked about the issues/misunderstandings like men. No name calling. No temper tantrums.

And that meeting led to some good things for the wheeling community and some good relationships.

I mean....you all want the same thing. To have someplace to wheel. Some want the parks, some want the two-tracks.

If you have an issue with GL4WDA why don't you PM someone from the BOD? Or Jim?

This constant bickering is going to get you nothing...except losses.

Don't kid yourself in thinking that government officials are not reading this thread. They are.

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I have ZERO idea what you mean by this.

I find it ridiculous that people with the SAME FUCKING interests cannot get along and have to disagree and name call on something as straight forward as "help the sport".

Let me regale you with a story here........
About 5,6,7 years ago there was a group I was tight with in the wheeling community that did not always see eye to eye with White Rhino and his crew. So, we set up a meeting one night at a Ruby Tuesdays, had a beer or 2 and talked about the issues/misunderstandings like men. No name calling. No temper tantrums.

And that meeting led to some good things for the wheeling community and some good relationships.

I mean....you all want the same thing. To have someplace to wheel. Some want the parks, some want the two-tracks.

If you have an issue with GL4WDA why don't you PM someone from the BOD? Or Jim?

This constant bickering is going to get you nothing...except losses.

Don't kid yourself in thinking that government officials are not reading this thread. They are.

This UNITY shown here is A-MAZE-ING
Sorry, I should have said "roll". The square stone reference is much more obvious that way.
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I have ZERO idea what you mean by this.

I find it ridiculous that people with the SAME FUCKING interests cannot get along and have to disagree and name call on something as straight forward as "help the sport".

Let me regale you with a story here........
About 5,6,7 years ago there was a group I was tight with in the wheeling community that did not always see eye to eye with White Rhino and his crew. So, we set up a meeting one night at a Ruby Tuesdays, had a beer or 2 and talked about the issues/misunderstandings like men. No name calling. No temper tantrums.

And that meeting led to some good things for the wheeling community and some good relationships.

I mean....you all want the same thing. To have someplace to wheel. Some want the parks, some want the two-tracks.

If you have an issue with GL4WDA why don't you PM someone from the BOD? Or Jim?

This constant bickering is going to get you nothing...except losses.

Don't kid yourself in thinking that government officials are not reading this thread. They are.

This UNITY shown here is A-MAZE-ING
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I have ZERO idea what you mean by this.

I find it ridiculous that people with the SAME FUCKING interests cannot get along and have to disagree and name call on something as straight forward as "help the sport".

Let me regale you with a story here........
About 5,6,7 years ago there was a group I was tight with in the wheeling community that did not always see eye to eye with White Rhino and his crew. So, we set up a meeting one night at a Ruby Tuesdays, had a beer or 2 and talked about the issues/misunderstandings like men. No name calling. No temper tantrums.

And that meeting led to some good things for the wheeling community and some good relationships.

I mean....you all want the same thing. To have someplace to wheel. Some want the parks, some want the two-tracks.

If you have an issue with GL4WDA why don't you PM someone from the BOD? Or Jim?

This constant bickering is going to get you nothing...except losses.

Don't kid yourself in thinking that government officials are not reading this thread. They are.

This UNITY shown here is A-MAZE-ING
One of the best replies so far.

The parks are only a business. When they profit, they are open. GLFWDA can help when someone moves in next door to an existing park and starts to lobby complaints about traffic, noise, dust, erosion, and anything else they can think of.

How many times has a farmer sold land and it was developed into a subdivision. Then the subdivision start to complain about the noise and smell. Next thing you know the zoning and local ordinances change and they shut the farmer down. Or a sub next to an industrial park complains about the businesses that operates with in their limits?

Milan Dragway has to shut down at midnight on Fridays because of the noise complaints when residents moved in next to an operating dragway that was in the middle of a corn field away for any residents when it first opened.

Like Sol Goode said we all want the same thing; a place to wheel, however you define it.
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I have ZERO idea what you mean by this.

I find it ridiculous that people with the SAME FUCKING interests cannot get along and have to disagree and name call on something as straight forward as "help the sport".

Let me regale you with a story here........
About 5,6,7 years ago there was a group I was tight with in the wheeling community that did not always see eye to eye with White Rhino and his crew. So, we set up a meeting one night at a Ruby Tuesdays, had a beer or 2 and talked about the issues/misunderstandings like men. No name calling. No temper tantrums.
And that meeting led to some good things for the wheeling community and some good relationships.

I mean....you all want the same thing. To have someplace to wheel. Some want the parks, some want the two-tracks.

If you have an issue with GL4WDA why don't you PM someone from the BOD? Or Jim?

This constant bickering is going to get you nothing...except losses.

Don't kid yourself in thinking that government officials are not reading this thread. They are.

This UNITY shown here is A-MAZE-ING
I remember that meeting well. We should do it again.

And you are spot on. I went to that meeting expecting a blood bath. I expected to see a bunch of bickering and people acting like our current folks in Washington........... Here's a line drawn in the sand and I won't cross it. Instead, we called a spade a spade and no one got upset. We just sat and chatted. I came away respecting some of the younger generation much more than I ever gave them credit for. I think they came away feeling like I was not trying to be "dad", but just a guy who likes to wheel.
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I remember that meeting well. We should do it again.

And you are spot on. I went to that meeting expecting a blood bath. I expected to see a bunch of bickering and people acting like our current folks in Washington........... Here's a line drawn in the sand and I won't cross it. Instead, we called a spade a spade and no one got upset. We just sat and chatted. I came away respecting some of the younger generation much more than I ever gave them credit for. I think they came away feeling like I was not trying to be "dad", but just a guy who likes to wheel.
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I love hardcore wheeling,and trail rideing equally.It sucks that the dnr,and tree huggers think that our rigs destroy the state land.The truth is that the land will take care of itself,it has for millions of years.If you go to yankee springs rec area or the allegan state game area and walk down the trails they closed 10 yrs ago you can hardly tell they were there.
The wheeling crowd, hasn't and never will do 1/10 of the damage the developers do with there dozers and excavators. Wheelers might leave some ruts behind,or cause a little erosion.They dont fill in low lands for profit or entirly destroy wet lands to build a bunch of fucking houses,or a strip mall,parking lot.
Im so sick of hearing the damage our sport does on public land.If the dnr wasnt so stupid in this state they could make places like yankee springs rec area a destination for out of state wheelers,instead of forcing us to spend our money in attica or windrock.The dnr could actually put more guys to work, and let our wonderfull state be a place to vacation with a jeep,not a state to avoid.And the lower peninsula has some awsume wheeling,if it was legal.
I deffinently dont have the answers,but I have ideas.Im still pissed about the state using MY snowmobile funds to pave the trails WE built and maintain.Now we cant have studs on these trails we pay for.
After seeing how they did us snowmobilers I have no intrest in trying to work with the government on land use issues.I have a quick temper and Im not smart enough to keep my mouth shut.
I sincerly thank you guys for all you do,I just feel it's a losing battle.The state is going to do what they want,the voters dont matter anymore.
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I remember that meeting well. We should do it again.

And you are spot on. I went to that meeting expecting a blood bath. I expected to see a bunch of bickering and people acting like our current folks in Washington........... Here's a line drawn in the sand and I won't cross it. Instead, we called a spade a spade and no one got upset. We just sat and chatted. I came away respecting some of the younger generation much more than I ever gave them credit for. I think they came away feeling like I was not trying to be "dad", but just a guy who likes to wheel.
not that I was included in the first meeting, but Springfield Inn?
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