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Old July 9th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #121
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Hey I'm 22 and I agree keep the land opened and money is tight so it's harder for the younger generation to volunteer and a nothing to take into consideration is 18 to 25 your getting your feet under you making mistakes and learning what the meaning of life is i have a good job but it's not where I want to be I joined the marines right out of high school and wished I went to school to so I to am learning and working to archive my goals in life I would love to help as much as I can to keep land open but I can't just up and miss a day of work they frown on things like that.. But I would like to contribute as much as I can!!!!!!

Also if all you old timers look back at when you were in your 20's you probably would of never been able or willing to do something like this we all want to live life to its fullest an never hold back unless your a chicken lol Jk but that's is how we all learn and how we all become who we are our mistakes and accomplishments define us as human beings!!!

Also there is a large portion of youth that just don't care about others and want nothing in life.... But there are still few that will stand and fight with everything they have on the line and that is what makes this country great!!!!!! They are the people that can make a difference and I do want to be someone who makes a difference but it's not just the young generation the older generation has to be willing to council and guide use to learn the ways because y'all have been there and done it we still have the training wheels on!

Ok my fingers hurt lol but I can see where y'all are coming from and couldn't agree more to we need to step up as the young guns and help out for a change!
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Old July 9th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #122
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i agree you guys need some new blood.i have a hard time with all this watching how big of assholes some of the members have been to people just on this board. how can you go to a goverment official and plead for the trails when you just called some guy you have never met a asshole or douchbag.talk shit about people in general.and 1 person in particular gets paid by us to protect and serve and has no respect for the comman man.
i have tried to be more involved..after the trail issues around me happened i swore i would never join glfwda again..but i did because it is good..the bullshit that has gone on is not.
jim i would love to help but i have a hard time with all the politics. i have talked to you about some of it. they are still shutting down awesome federal land by me and waisting so much money doing it. i hate it everytime i go in the woods by me.i have no idea how to help anymore...
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YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH LOL

Yes I agree mx how can the younger guys come in and contribute to the forum and then get bad mouthed by a few individuals and want to help..... I just don't get that... If you wheel for fun for comps for What ever but to have guys bad mouth you and make you not want anything to do with the forum or the politics it sucks

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Old July 9th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #124
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I saw a lot of commnts about moving to the digital age of meetings. Tim S. and others up in 'da UP have been after us for years to incorporate some type of digital attendance for the quarterly meetings, there are some voting issues etc to be worked out, but we are already a step ahead of the conversation (or not as many steps behind as some would think):

http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/386344981428583/

For those of you that don't do Facebook, the next GLFWDA quarterly meeting will be held via GoToMeeting. Summer has been our worst attended meeting for years, even to the point of considering skipping it. The other thing that is different this time around is the scheduling - a Tuesday evening at 8pm. If you are unable to access the invitation through Facebook, send me an e-mail vicepresident@glfwda.org Keep in mind this is a first attempt and may be a bit rough, but Bob has been moderating these types of meetings for the UFWDA BoD, GLFWDA BoD and UFWDA Delegates calls for a while now.

***edit - you do not need Internet access to attend, you can attend in listen-only mode from your phone after you are registered. However, if you know someone that has no access to e-mail but would like to attend they better call me so we can get them registered, not sure how that part works until I ask.
I hope your Gotomeeting works well for this group. We us it a couple times a year for monthy meetings for ASA-Mi and it is just not the same as a face to face meeting. The passion and emotion does not come through and you end the meeting feeling like you missed something. I know travel is a big thing and I probobly should not even be talking having made only 2 quarterly meetings in 3 years.
I need to clear a couple commitments and get on board. I need to lead by example.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #125
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You don't give up. You keep saying things that aren't true. Let me outline...
Your outline seems flawed. It appears not only did I witness what I posted in the past, but a few more people have come out and voiced the same feelings.....


Contact Phittie and he will put your name in the hat.Will I have your vote?



Attempts have been made, and I'm sure will likely be made in the future to join forces.
Good, I see others have posted some logical reasons as to how it could work, and how it couldn't.


When has GLFWDA, recently, turned anyone away? This thread is about looking for help. Those that have expressed interest have been given directions.Again a few more people are starting to voice the same concerns...



As stated earlier, I agree the people on this forum aren't probably the target users of state trails as most of the ones who wheel have been doing it for a long time and have well built rigs and want the challenge that parks offer. That doesn't mean there isn't lots of people who like state trails, and it surely doesn't mean we should give it up state trails.
Pretty sure I never said to give up on the state trails, but read into it as you may. Clearly that's your mantra.


You have done a stellar job of only offering help and we greatly appreciate it.
Your welcome. Captain smartass.
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I hope your Gotomeeting works well for this group. We us it a couple times a year for monthy meetings for ASA-Mi and it is just not the same as a face to face meeting. The passion and emotion does not come through and you end the meeting feeling like you missed something.
video conferencing isn't awesome, no doubt. But I think it's a step in the right direction for GLFWDA to do more to allow alternative methods for people to attend meetings.
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Your welcome. Captain smartass.
To respond politely, and then I'm throwing my hands in the air, your issue and others issues about being slighted were long ago. I can't change what happened, but I can say I haven't seen anything or heard of anyone complaining of it recently.

Regarding not taking the help, again there is a process to help. GLFWDA can't just say "Do this". Its been made very clear who to contact and what needs to be done. If that is too much to ask of someone wanting to help, then I don't know what to tell them. It seems kind of obvious to me that if they are willing to help then a quick email, maybe a phone call or two, and possibly a meet in person somewhere along the way depending on the chores given wouldn't be asking too much. Also, lets not forget this thread is about the President position which would require attending a meeting to get voted in (all board positions require a vote) and then attending meetings thereafter should be considered manditory (it's not exactly but you really should make attempts to make most meetings).
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #128
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Can't yall get along and have a civil conversation
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #129
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in the jeep the state trails are boring and uneventful, however I still enjoyed them...in the rzr the state trails are a riot because I haul ass on them! Way faster than I feel comfortable in a fullsize rig doing
You have never tagged along with me on a trail maintenance run...when we have 73 miles to cover and most of it is sandy snowmobile trail, some of the speeds we travel would keep pace with the rzr crowd...until we hit an unseen whoop in the trail and bang off the bump stops.

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Is GLFwd association pursuing the atv and utv crowd? i would imagine that there is was more of them in michigan then full size people maybe they could be a asset????
We actively promote and defend 4x4 user access, but the priorities of the 4x4 users are not always in synch with ATV/UTV/RTV users so we do not actively pursue those users as members. As Hancho points out above, some of the newer machines are a blast on the same routes a Jeep guy would call boring. GLFWDA has worked with MMRC in the past on projects that mattered to all motorized users in general, and we are fortunate to have a good working relationship with ATV Offroad through our trail and route maintenance projects. But our goal is more 4x4 trail miles with more 4x4 challenges, not fighting for the expansion of the 50" trail system to 64" or adding technical challenges to the 50" trail system.

The state forest road system is also used by a lot of other folks that we need to figure out how to get in the game - hunters, mushroom pickers, bird watchers and other outdoors men and women use the state forest roads and in many cases a 4x4 of some sort to get to their destination.
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Can't yall get along and have a civil conversation
not usually, lol

board meetings are not at all like this.
there are often differing opinions.
a simple vote keeps most of the bickering to a minimum.

majority rules, even if you are in the monority sometimes.

go to a meeting when you get a chance, and see how it goes.
its not at all like gl4x4. alot less gay jokes!

hang around phittie1100, and watch what goes on.
you dont have to be a glfwda member to sit in on a board meeting.

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not usually, lol

board meetings are seldom like this.
there are often differing opinions.
a simple vote keeps most of bickering to a minimum

majority rules, even if you are in the monority sometimes.
Lol I know I was just trying to be a smart ass lol I'm not very good at that kinda like my spelling...... Lol only if a simple vote solved everything
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But gay jokes are fun......
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Sorry. I'm just trying to make the point that GLFWDA isn't the devil, but Chads opinion varies. I love you all, and gay jokes are fun! lol Kickstand is a fag.
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.... You like it in the butt ... What Ok I feel better I just registered on GLFWDA.org so time to kick ass and take it in the but .... Wait no I mean give it ... Never mind....
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Sorry. I'm just trying to make the point that GLFWDA isn't the devil, but Chads opinion varies. I love you all, and gay jokes are fun! lol Kickstand is a fag.
You continue to miss the point. Glfwda is a good organization. You just refuse to admit they've made mistakes.

You're gayer than I am. I voted on it!
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Hey every one makes mistakes like just the other day I should have used a glove...... Then again the glove don't fit hahahahahahahaha

Ps I posted MY GLFWDA POST
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You continue to miss the point. Glfwda is a good organization. You just refuse to admit they've made mistakes.

You're gayer than I am. I voted on it!
Does it make me gay that I let you, uh nevermind.


This thread sure has turned around! And yes, mistakes have been made.
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sorry jim, i stand corrected.
post corrected.
I understand your frustration Joe. There are many short sighted Associations already that think as long as they work on their states stuff, nothing can hurt them. However UFWDA mission has always been to attack Federal Issues that have the potential to flow downhill. It's the Federal rulings that states adopt so that they coincide with Federal law which make enforcement all that much easier.
You do realize it was UFWDA's Attourney Carla Boucher that assisted Pat Brower in drafting the Huron Manistee response.

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OK guys, enough with the gay, off color talk.......... PLEASE.

In my opinion, GLFWDA has made many mistakes and "possibly" is still making them. And I know on a personal level that I have made some real gaffs. I'm not making excuses or asking for anyone to just write it off, but we are all human, and last I checked everyone has a full time job and is trying to fit this in as a volunteer.

With all that said and all the previous comments taken seriously, we are still the only organization in the state that is making an effort on behalf of the full size users. So, if you and I want to see our state (and federal) land kept available to us, we have to do something about it.

This thread was started in an effort to ask people to maybe take a second (or third) look at it and see if it is something you are willing to help out with. Can you make a difference? I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if anyone can make a difference but if we don't try, we will never know.

Do I understand that some of you have felt snubbed? You bet! I do too, by the very people I nominated and/or voted for. Sometimes a person gets so wrapped up in what they are doing that they become defensive if someone questions their thought process and motives. I know I felt that way during the OSTC efforts. I had met with people, covered all the bases (I thought) and when someone took a different viewpoint on it, I got defensive. Flat out....... I was wrong and I insulted a couple people. It was not intentional but it happened. Sometimes it's important to get a little thick skinned and realize this guy you are having problems with is just the average joe trying to fight an uphill battle and at times is just as frustrated as you are.

Bottom line, at the end of the day, we need to be a team. It's worth going back to my analogy of our military. At a local level, they may be yanks, rebs, different ethnics, root for different college or pro teams, democrat or republican, but when they lock arms for the United States, they are the strongest military in the world.

That needs to be us for our land use.
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