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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #181
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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:21 PM   #182
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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #183
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To continue what Jim has expressed, it is getting easier and easier after every meeting and project that we accomplish as an organization. Meaning that the ground work to better relationships and a better understanding from the Dept of Natural Resources of what we would like to see with our sport and our land has been laid, what we need now is good folks to keep the ball rolling. Age is of no importance when it comes to something that people of the same mind-set have as a common goal, the goal of public land for public use.....and if you build it they will come.
THIS ^ in and of itself is more amazing then anyone will ever imagine.
Many years ago while attending an ORV meeting I walked outside with Hector Chunti, the DNR FMFM Director who was Steve Kubsiak's boss for those of you who know Steve.
Hector told me, 'Stop wasting all our time at these ORV meetings with full size vehicle requests. This ORV law is NOT for your group it's for the m/c and ATV and other non-licensed vehicles. If you want money for your projects, go find a friendly legislator and have him/her write a law and get it passed and THEN you can have some money of your own to make your trails in the woods'.

Quite a departure from the above status from Pat.

Needless to say most of you don't realize the strongest ally we had in all this progress was a ATV guy named Dick Rainey. Dick was the head of the ORV group before Granholm obliterated it. And of course Hector retired.

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P.S. I remember that meeting well @ Ruby Tuesdays..............Who's up for another get together?
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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #185
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Years ago the state committed to another ORV Scramble area in SE Michigan. After much pushing, it has still not come about. Maybe that can be your personal challenge,......... to talk to others and come up to speed as to the current status and take the ball from there.So many people ask what they can do. In reality, each person needs to get some interaction with the rest of the group and whittle out that little piece of the puzzle that works for you. I can't ask you to go make a speech if you are not comfortable making speeches. I can't ask you to be our membership secretary if you are not comfortable with a database. I can't ask you to attend an evening meeting if you work nights. It has to work for you. Look at Drummond Island. Steve Walker lives there and it's his passion. So, he was deeply involved in the development there. But to ask him to work on a project in SE Michigan is silly.

That's why it is hard to just say "do this".
GL is going to have to be VERY vigilant on this one. I've already heard the DNR trying to take 'CREDIT' for THE MOUNDS as their contribution for a S.E. Mi riding area. The way they see it, they funded that project so it might as well be a 'check mark' in their column for accomplilshing this task. What has to be pointed out is that THE MOUNDS was already in existance as an ORV area before the law was passed. So, they can't talk credit for something that was alredy there.

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Old July 10th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #186
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I took the time to read the many pages of posts that began with looking for my replacement. One question I saw time and again, was what can I do to help. If you seek a specific answer to the question you pose, I am not sure I have the answer either; for I believe the answer is allusive.

In an attempt to enlighten those interested in helping, here is my response:

My humble beginnings were not that much different than many that have come and gone over the years. We got involved because someone made the offer and recognized a need. Whether we could actually help or do anything constructive was yet to be discovered.

There was no one there to hold our hand and direct our efforts. Truth is we didnít know what talents or skills we had anymore than the people we found ourselves working beside. We listened; we listened and learned what our fellow wheelers desired. We tried to take the things we learned and apply them the best we knew how. We made mistakes and perhaps continue to make a gaff or two as we continue to do what we can.

In short, a volunteer has to be self motivated. A volunteer has to be willing to stick their neck out and take chances. A volunteer has to be able to recognize what they have to offer to make a difference. A volunteer has to be willing to listen, more than they speak. A volunteer has to be willing to make mistakes and grow. A volunteer has to have the desire and the passion to work their way through the bureaucracy. A volunteer must submit to pursuing their dream, to make a commitment that is not negotiable.

While it may be admirable to follow, a volunteer must also recognize the need to lead. A volunteer must understand the need to sacrifice if they truly want to make a difference.

To me, being a volunteer is no different than when as a young lad I choose to wear our countryís uniform. As a Marine I was willing to give my life so that my family could enjoy the freedoms our young men and women continue to fight for today. As a volunteer, I am willing to give of my life in pursuit of those very same freedoms.

We live in a great State, in a great Nation. I intend to see that my children and my childrenís children have the opportunity to enjoy off-road experiences on public land in addition to private.

While my motivation may be the same or different, it started with a desire, a passion. So for those that have raised their hand and said I would like to get involved, I would be willing to help you in any way I can (short of another term as GLFWDA president).

The motivation has to be within you, find it and act on it. Do not wait for someone to come hold your hand or guide your every move.

For those that are unable to find that motivation within, than support those that do. That is what GLFWDA is, your opportunity to make a difference in your future if you are unable. Please do not criticize GLFWDA for trying to make a difference if you are unable.

I cannot help but recall an article I wrote for the Boondocker (Summer 2011 Edition) which is attached.

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Old July 10th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #187
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Have you driven the new connector route that WLB cut in West Branch? They were given free reign to cut a new connector trail and it is a fun, tight and twisty trail.
You disappoint me. That's the SoFO-Cut!

The look on the Conservation officers face was priceless when he asked what we were doing and we replied with "Making a new trail!"
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Old July 10th, 2012, 07:42 PM   #188
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The look on the Conservation officers face was priceless when he asked what we were doing and we replied with "Making a new trail!"
Sorry, my bad. I knew it was SoFo but forgot.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #189
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Hi

I like when people post on GLFWDA forums about help needed. I visit the site and like to read where help is needed. I even get up and look at the calendar to see if I could make a commitment. I don't know if it is working or not, but the asking for help where people can see it reached me...

I don't have much time anymore, but I will toss a few $$ to GLFWDA so that when my girls get older I can take them on a trail run (in about 5 years they will be old enough and my Jeep might be done).

Only major problem with our group (4x4's) is we are competitive in nature which makes working together rather difficult.
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P.S. I remember that meeting well @ Ruby Tuesdays..............Who's up for another get together?
One of the guys in my club mentioned this - our regular meetings often are done in conjunction with events, and are often squeezed in between this or that. We have also been lax in setting aside times for our committees to meet informally before or after our meetings. Not that GLFWDA needs to provide social time or a club-like social agenda, but by relying so much on websites and cell phones I think we sometimes miss out on that face to face conversation time for brainstorming new ideas or reviewing ongoing projects. Our Board is pretty spread out right now geographically - good for representing wheelers across the state but bad for face time.

Maybe scheduling a casual, occasional M&G over dinner is something we need ti consider.

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I wish I had the time to help out more

I feel like I could do some good if I were closer to the middle of the state
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One of the guys in my club mentioned this - our regular meetings often are done in conjunction with events, and are often squeezed in between this or that. We have also been lax in setting aside times for our committees to meet informally before or after our meetings. Not that GLFWDA needs to provide social time or a club-like social agenda, but by relying so much on websites and cell phones I think we sometimes miss out on that face to face conversation time for brainstorming new ideas or reviewing ongoing projects. Our Board is pretty spread out right now geographically - good for representing wheelers across the state but bad for face time.

Maybe scheduling a casual, occasional M&G over dinner is something we need ti consider.

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I have no idea who or what is going on in the UP but it seems like some interaction would be useful. Maybe one of our experts can give you some advice.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #193
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I wish I had the time to help out more

I feel like I could do some good if I were closer to the middle of the state

To steal a quote from Bill Burke's videos, "Au contrare, mon frere". Having people willing to help that live away from most of the rest of us is a big asset. For example:

Eastern Upper Peninsula CAC
• Thursday, August 16, 2012 - Comfort Inn, Newberry
• Thursday, October 18, 2012 - Comfort Inn, Newberry
• Thursday, December 6, 2012 - Comfort Inn, Newberry

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...009---,00.html

There might not be anything specific to 4x4 use in every meeting, but attending, signing in as a GLFWDA member or 4x4 user, wearing your GLFWDA or 4x4 club shirt to be seen etc. can let people know that the 4x4 community is paying attention and willing to participate in the process. If you are comfortable with public speaking, there is usually a public comment period if something of personal interest is discussed. It goes back to the relationship building discussed earlier - it sometimes moves at a glacial pace, but the long-term relations that we build with DNR, county sherrif, NFS managers, other user groups etc tend to pay off at some point.
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I'll run it by Muddypaws he knows a lot about land use and has attended several meetings I'll see whats all involved and try and start attending these.

Thanks for the heads up guys

Side note.

I'm one of the younger people around here and I'm stepping up with what I can. It can happen, just saying
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Just bumping this back up. I understand there are a few who have contacted Paul. Thank you.

Anyone else?
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I'm seriously considering this. I really do want to get involved but my free time is close to zero right now, in September it is going to go from zero into the negative .
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I'm seriously considering this. I really do want to get involved but my free time is close to zero right now, in September it is going to go from zero into the negative .
I know what you mean. I've been running around non stop lately. You can do it though
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