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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #21
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I like "real" jet boats,think big block with a berkley.I have no use for sea doos or sea doo style jet boats.In my opinion they are in efficient,over priced and anoiying as hell,but I live on a lake.
I love the sound of a big block,small block, a big outboard on a checkmate or bass boat is great. Listening to jet skies all day sucks donkey balls.
My freinds and I who have lived on/around the water all consider jet skies/ jet boats mosquitoes.You just want to swat them.It seams you can not ride a sit down or jet boat in the open water,you must do tricks and stuff as close to other boaters as possible,to show them how cool you are.Obviously this isnt everyone,but it is the majority.
In my circle you get little respect for anything jet powered that doesnt have a big block,unless it is a river boat,that is a totally different deal.

I like big outboards,and big blocks in that order.A jet is probobly fine,just not for me.

PLEASE WHAT EVER YOU BUY

Send your kids to boaters safety,and go your self.I grew up on the lake,been boating my whole life. It blows my mind how you can buy a boat and use it, with no training in michigan.I have draged bodies out of the water because people write the check for a boat,but have no clue what they are doing on the water.
Fyi when at the boat ramp. The idea is to park out of the way,prepare boat and passengers with all gear.Then launch the boat as fast as possible,and get out of the way.
I am still amased by the ignorant/inconsiderate people at the ramp.It is entertaining to watch the noobs load their new boat,or drop it on the ramp,rip off outdrive etc.
Much truth here. I also grew up on a lake and moved onto a lake after marriage as soon as we could. There are a lot of uneducated idiots out there.

RE your discussion of jet skis, when we were skiing competitively, we hated them. Now my kids are moved out and I have a standup and my wife has a sit down. They see way more use than our comp ski boat. I find the standup gives me plenty of exercise. I don't find the folks on the standups nearly as dumb as the newbie who buys a high powered sit down and starts flying around the lake at 60+ mph the day after he got it. BTW, women are still the worst drivers.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #22
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Jet is less efficient per HP than prop.

Jet + :
Shallow draft operation, throttle response, fun factor, most jet boats well laid out for day tripping, easy maintenance

Jet - :
Susceptible to weeds (can be an issue in inland lakes), less efficient per HP than prop, most jet boats have low freeboard (i.e. "sides") limiting them to small lakes/calm water

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Simplicity, more efficient per HP than jet, prop easy to change/swap if damaged or to change pitch for performance, wider variety of hull styles


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Potential for prop/lower unit damage in shallow water, need to be concerned with lower unit in addition to engine/powerhead

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Reliable, simple, most made in last 20+ years are oil injected, lightweight, best on sub 19 foot boats

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Well and mount can waste some space, can be cold-blooded

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Easy operation, powerful, generally quiet, reliable, can be more fuel-efficient

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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:38 AM   #23
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I don't find the folks on the standups nearly as dumb as the newbie who buys a high powered sit down and starts flying around the lake at 60+ mph the day after he got it. BTW, women are still the worst drivers.
It's always amazed me how little knowledge and training is given to people before they plop down on the aquatic version of a crotch rocket.

I grew up on Saginaw Bay, which at the time didn't have a ton of jetskis or people for the most part. But there were always a few idiots, always a few accidents, always a few deaths. I can't imagine what it's like down here on some of these overcrowded, tiny inland lakes...
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #24
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My thoughts are kinda mixed on a boat in general down here. I could 100% see it if you lived right on a lake, had a dock somewhere, or knew someone where you could dock it. But for us I look at it as something that's going to sit in my driveway 90% of the time. To go out and enjoy it I have to hitch it up. Make my way to the boat launch. Deal with a big line up just to get in, assuming you can even get in. Deal with finding a spot to park the empty trailer. Then enjoy it for a few hours and do the reverse of that whole thing all over again to go home.

For me it comes down to it being just more of a hassle than the enjoyment I would get out of it is worth.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 06:59 AM   #25
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Hey money bags, I have a nice boat capable of 90mph, just needs a new piston....

Jet boats are the equivalent of ricers on the road imo
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #26
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Hey money bags, I have a nice boat capable of 90mph, just needs a new piston....

Jet boats are the equivalent of ricers on the road imo
You still have your boat?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #27
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You still have your boat?
i was thinking of growing dope in it
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:11 AM   #28
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EVERY boat catalog and mag shows boats like this one ALWAYS come with at least one curvey blond in a bikini. where IS she?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:13 AM   #29
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i was thinking of growing dope in it
Yet another thing someone is storing at your place?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:15 AM   #30
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Yet another thing someone is storing at your place?
no that one is at his homested
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:18 AM   #31
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I had one of the small sea doo speedsters with the twin rotax engines . It was a freaking Blast to fly around in . It would do about 60 top speed and you could turn on a dime. Just before it would spin out it hooked so hard it felt like it was going to flip. I could submarine the thing too ! I loved taking it out in lake Michigan in the small craft warning weather and jumping the shit out of it. My buddy and I would put helmets on and triple jump waves or just before takeoff turn the wheel and fly backwards off waves it was a gas hog a tank of gas in 2 hrs at wot. I also broke at least 8 ribs in the thing from being a lunatic! I agree with the crotch rocket analogy I also never needed to pull anything to have fun ,the boat just was fun by itself. The engines were pretty reliable too . If you want a real boat buy a prop boat if you want a crotch rocket on water buy a jet boat . By the way the new bigger single engine ones are more like real boats but not as insane. Good luck deciding !
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:31 AM   #32
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Jet boats = Dumb. I like water sports, power, handling. All things that prop boats are better at. If you want to go up rivers or just putz around on the lake then get a jet boat. I really hate that you must be under power to turn them too. Ohh and they dont have brakes.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:40 AM   #33
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:01 AM   #34
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I like "real" jet boats,think big block with a berkley.I have no use for sea doos or sea doo style jet boats.In my opinion they are in efficient,over priced and anoiying as hell,but I live on a lake.
I love the sound of a big block,small block, a big outboard on a checkmate or bass boat is great. Listening to jet skies all day sucks donkey balls.
My freinds and I who have lived on/around the water all consider jet skies/ jet boats mosquitoes.You just want to swat them.It seams you can not ride a sit down or jet boat in the open water,you must do tricks and stuff as close to other boaters as possible,to show them how cool you are.Obviously this isnt everyone,but it is the majority.
In my circle you get little respect for anything jet powered that doesnt have a big block,unless it is a river boat,that is a totally different deal..
I did the BBC/Berkley jet (with Jetavator) thing back in the day. 23 Spectre was fast and fun, but with living on Lake Erie it got old fast (i.e. poor ride, shipping water, delicate engine - 454 with AL heads and raw water cooling = dumbest design ever - and limited to calm days resulted in trading it in on a 24' Magnum 454/TRS. Also never seemed to attract as many curvaceous deck ornaments as the brochures always showed...

SeaDoo style jet boats as aquatic crotch rockets is a great analogy. Fun, fast, but pretty limited/narrow use.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:02 AM   #35
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I think many of u do not understand what these modern 21foot jet boats act like . They arent like the little speedsters, they do not not not spin out. That's a trait of those small early ones, not the niew ones. They also handle great, mine corners amazing, and the no throttle no steering is unnoticeable.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:10 AM   #36
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I think many of u do not understand what these modern 21foot jet boats act like . They arent like the little speedsters, they do not not not spin out. That's a trait of those small early ones, not the niew ones. They also handle great, mine corners amazing, and the no throttle no steering is unnoticeable.
um, okay...only to someone who doesn't know how to drive a boat
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:13 AM   #37
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A friend of mine has a 20 ft aluminum bass boat style boat with a big johnson motor with a jet drive lower unit. its not too bad to steer at low speeds but it can go in water thats only inches deep. he only runs it on the yellowstone though.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 08:19 AM   #38
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The low speed steering issue is fixed for about $300 with cobrajets bolted on to the jets.
Yamaha quality is pretty tough to beat

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That's a good idea, I need somewhere to hide it for a bit
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Old June 20th, 2012, 09:05 AM   #40
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I know a guy that has a 21' Checkmate with a 350 merc outboard on the back. Holly shit that boat is stupid fast. I fell in love with it two summers ago and have been wanting somthing like it ever since. That 2 stroke did not seem to use very much gas either. Someday... Good luck on your boat hunt. BOAT= Bust Out Another Thousand.
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