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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #1
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Gents who has had both a prob and Jet boat(yamaha, Sea doo) and what did and didnt you like about each. Im looking at a Yamaha AR210. I have never owned a boat before and wanting something good for inland lakes. My wifes JK rubi is only good for around 4k lbs towing so Im limited to 21ft or under boats.
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I have only had a prop boat. In my experiences of inland lakes, i am guessing a jet boat would work better since there is less chance of bottoming out. But that is purely my speculation as I don't have any experience with a jet drive.

As far as towing with a JK, I personaly would be nervous doing antything over 14' due to probable weight ratio issues. But that is just me as I can get nervous at times hauling a 20' with an Excursion. (I know I am a pansy ass when towing).
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I like jet drive for a pure cruising boat, with 4 people or less. If you want to tube, I think its about the best.
Cons for jet drive is they suck more hp to get the same performance and they tend to be rougher rides in waves (not always). My experience is with the 14 and 18ft Seadoo jet boats, nothing newer than 2004ish either, so newer boats with more hp and better design might be better. And don't forget that with 2 engines comes with double the maintenance.

Prop drive boat are my preference for skiing and wakeboard, and for a boat when you have 4+ people.

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If jet boats are anything like a seadoo, avoid sea weed. Once that gets in the intake grade you will be going nowhere fast.
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My aunt and uncle have one of the sea doo's, they are pretty fierce. I have seen a lot of jet boats living on the yellowstone, they excel in the rivers.
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If jet boats are anything like a seadoo, avoid sea weed. Once that gets in the intake grade you will be going nowhere fast.
Seaweed, mud, sand will eat up your impeller in a hurry. We have two wave runners on my Fire department, and we go through impellers in a hurry. People get the idea that the thing can run in a foot of water. What is forgotten is that you need 2-3 feet so you don't suck shit up.
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Jet is less efficient per HP than prop.

Jet + :
Shallow draft operation, throttle response, fun factor, most jet boats well laid out for day tripping, easy maintenance

Jet - :
Susceptible to weeds (can be an issue in inland lakes), less efficient per HP than prop, most jet boats have low freeboard (i.e. "sides") limiting them to small lakes/calm water

Prop + :
Simplicity, more efficient per HP than jet, prop easy to change/swap if damaged or to change pitch for performance, wider variety of hull styles


Prop - :
Potential for prop/lower unit damage in shallow water, need to be concerned with lower unit in addition to engine/powerhead

Outboard + :
Reliable, simple, most made in last 20+ years are oil injected, lightweight, best on sub 19 foot boats

Outboard - :
Well and mount can waste some space, can be cold-blooded

Stern drive + :
Easy operation, powerful, generally quiet, reliable, can be more fuel-efficient

Stern drive - :
Most work to lay up for offseason, same shallow water issues as outboard,
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In my experience, prop>jet.
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I'm wondering what the next piece of outdoor power equipment will be that you buy..you're on a roll!
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I am a prop guy myself. The little 14' jet boats are fun. Larger ones I observe are slugs. Jet boats are not as good for any type of tow behind recreation. IE tube, ski, wakeboard. Many of the jetboats are dual engine because a single engine can't compare for performance.

I tried to talk my neighbor out of a jet boat. He bought one anyway and loves it. shrug..
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I'm wondering what the next piece of outdoor power equipment will be that you buy..you're on a roll!
lol....well I sold my Z06 today and the wife has been pushing hard for a boat. I wanted a tractor with mid mount mower for cutting the grass and found a good deal on a zero turn....then I wanted to pick up a cheap skid steer for house projects/winter driveway cleaning but decided its cheaper to get my neighbor to bring over his kubota to help....now looking at the boats.

I have never owned a boat before but there are lots of lakes around us and it looks to be a good time on the water.
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I am a prop guy myself. The little 14' jet boats are fun. Larger ones I observe are slugs. Jet boats are not as good for any type of tow behind recreation. IE tube, ski, wakeboard. Many of the jetboats are dual engine because a single engine can't compare for performance.

I tried to talk my neighbor out of a jet boat. He bought one anyway and loves it. shrug..
what kind of jet boat did he buy?
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Jet is less efficient per HP than prop.

Jet + :
Shallow draft operation, throttle response, fun factor, most jet boats well laid out for day tripping, easy maintenance

Jet - :
Susceptible to weeds (can be an issue in inland lakes), less efficient per HP than prop, most jet boats have low freeboard (i.e. "sides") limiting them to small lakes/calm water

Prop + :
Simplicity, more efficient per HP than jet, prop easy to change/swap if damaged or to change pitch for performance, wider variety of hull styles


Prop - :
Potential for prop/lower unit damage in shallow water, need to be concerned with lower unit in addition to engine/powerhead

Outboard + :
Reliable, simple, most made in last 20+ years are oil injected, lightweight, best on sub 19 foot boats

Outboard - :
Well and mount can waste some space, can be cold-blooded

Stern drive + :
Easy operation, powerful, generally quiet, reliable, can be more fuel-efficient

Stern drive - :
Most work to lay up for offseason, same shallow water issues as outboard,
only true if you are a begining boater...alot of those jet boats are foam filled like a whaler so you can't sink them...I've have alot of fun in big water with my uncles...its like miami vice at 35mph!!! They sure do jump great, but the ride is rough
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When I was 14 I had a friend whos parents bought him a single engine seadoo jet boat. My old man's '67 slickcraft with an il6 180 merc i/o waxed it in every aspect.

That thing was slugish out of the hole, would spin out on tight turns, took waves like shit, etc. But for a couple of 14 year old kids, we had a riot with that thing.
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what kind of jet boat did he buy?
I think it's a Yamaha single engine. I drove it and it seemed OK.
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only true if you are a begining boater...alot of those jet boats are foam filled like a whaler so you can't sink them...I've have alot of fun in big water with my uncles...its like miami vice at 35mph!!! They sure do jump great, but the ride is rough
True, but I've seen the low freeboard worry some folks who feel like they're more sitting "on" the little jets instead of "in".

Twin engine 14 foot SeaDoos are a freaking riot. Burns more gas than a big block but a ton of fun. The Whaler jet is a good time too - if you can find one.
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I'm in the market for a jet boat as well...however I want a 14-16ft...with at least the 120hp merc but want the 175hp. I would only do a 90hp is the deal was right. The thing with jetboat is they don't do any thing good, but they do everything if you get what I mean
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I like "real" jet boats,think big block with a berkley.I have no use for sea doos or sea doo style jet boats.In my opinion they are in efficient,over priced and anoiying as hell,but I live on a lake.
I love the sound of a big block,small block, a big outboard on a checkmate or bass boat is great. Listening to jet skies all day sucks donkey balls.
My freinds and I who have lived on/around the water all consider jet skies/ jet boats mosquitoes.You just want to swat them.It seams you can not ride a sit down or jet boat in the open water,you must do tricks and stuff as close to other boaters as possible,to show them how cool you are.Obviously this isnt everyone,but it is the majority.
In my circle you get little respect for anything jet powered that doesnt have a big block,unless it is a river boat,that is a totally different deal.

I like big outboards,and big blocks in that order.A jet is probobly fine,just not for me.

PLEASE WHAT EVER YOU BUY

Send your kids to boaters safety,and go your self.I grew up on the lake,been boating my whole life. It blows my mind how you can buy a boat and use it, with no training in michigan.I have draged bodies out of the water because people write the check for a boat,but have no clue what they are doing on the water.
Fyi when at the boat ramp. The idea is to park out of the way,prepare boat and passengers with all gear.Then launch the boat as fast as possible,and get out of the way.
I am still amased by the ignorant/inconsiderate people at the ramp.It is entertaining to watch the noobs load their new boat,or drop it on the ramp,rip off outdrive etc.
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The seadoo and yam's are both great. I have a seadoo challenger 180, which is 230 horse supercharged, single engine. It does everything well, Yamaha is good too, but they don't supercharge any of their jet boats which isn't all bad in the hopes that they live a long time. I haven't found any towables it won't pull just fine . They both are very family friendly boats. Oh and if I were u, I'd buy more boat then u think u need.
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