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Old April 15th, 2013, 11:24 AM   #121
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I have no confidence I wont get wet so I am not in the water until June usually ..
Only had one wet exit in my kayak, that was on Labor Day 1999 at Silver Lake dunes I should never have been out that day. Last time I saw that kayak it was headed to Chicago.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #122
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Today is kayaking weather finally!
But I can't go.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 06:56 PM   #123
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But I did ! ;)
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Old August 26th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #124
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This last weekend I took my pup for his first river Trip. We had a training paddle on the river a week or so earlier.
Thought it would be my last chance to work on training him this year. Now it looks like I might have this weekend too. Since surgery was put off for a heart specialist to look at mass by my heart.

I still don't know if I can have surgery on my masses.its still not confirmed cancer. Chance of it being is about 90%.
If I can have surgery and need cancer treatments I hope to be done in time for spring kayaking weather.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 07:31 AM   #125
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We have been doing some rentals this year.

Most recently we did a camp trip on the Au Sable in Grayling. We started about 1:00 PM on Thursday and camped Thursday at Keystone and Friday and Rainbow Bend. We took out at McMasters Bridge. It was about 40 miles on the river.

The family reported the Old Town Otter yaks had poor tracking and almost 0 glide They had a hard time staying in front of the gear canoe.


I have really enjoyed the Perception Tribe sit on tops. I actually preferred 13.5 over the 11.5 but the rest of the family liked the 11.5 better. The 13.5 is a double, but has an option to paddle from the center seat. Both have reasonable glide and were great on the Huron River in Ann Arbor.

We have also been in Vapor 12s this year with our puppy. It had lots of room and has reasonabe tracking and glide for a rec boat. We had Vapor 10s on the Crystal River in Sleeping Bear and really liked how they tracked and had some glide.


In June of this year we had some time in actual white water boats. It was a half day class from one of the outfitters there with the New and Gauley Rivers. Nobody in the family liked them. We had to go on Summersville Lake in WV instead of on moving water in them. Even I had troubles, About every 4th or 5th stroke I would do a doughnut. We understand that Summersville Lake is not the best place to use a white water boat but we had to go where the class was.


We have had some time in like 17 foot double sea kayaks with rudders and they were a dream to paddle. We were in the salt water marshes of Emerald Isle N.C. They felt maneuverable in the open but I am quite sure they would have different feel in a small river like the Crystal. Talk about glide.


I recommend trying some rentals if you can not get to a try out day at a store/outfitter. The rental place equipment gets beat on. It can be good to see how they hold up to serious abuse. You can also see how different hull shapes impact stability, glide and tracking without a big investment.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #126
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Your AuSable trip is what I have been wanting to do since I got my first kayak.
My Vapor is a 10 and my pup fits good . He shouldn't grow much more just fill out. He jumped out and kayak was stable.
Have you been in any Native Water boats? I'm thinking my next kayak might be an Ultimate 12.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #127
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That Au Sable trip was a blast... Family of 4 and we had food, water, tents, sleeping bags and change of clothes and it all fit in the first 2/3s of a canoe..

I have not been in a Native boat.

I am actually thinking that when the family gets kayaks that I get a single canoe like the Mad River Serenade

My concern is about the other hull materials. yea the plastic is durable but very heavy. And nearly every trip we hit a rock or drag the bottom. How durable are the other materials.
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I did touch the AuSable river.After not being near it in 35 years.

Eli played awhile.
We were coming back from Grand Lake and Lake Huron
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Old August 27th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #129
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The Old Town otters are actually a nice boat for tight fast waters. The best thing about Otters and Pelicans is you can afford more than one and take people with you. I've had a lot of people try mine and then go buy their first kayak. It's a win for me because I get to go kayaking, on a river. Hard to do and be safe by yourself. My cousin and her friend and my Uncle all want kayaks. After one run!
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I just was looking at the Native boats online... I am going to have to try one out.

I would agree the Otter is best suited for day tripping and not 40 mile trips. Right now the Old Town Vapor is the leading choice for the family. Trying to balance the tracking, stability, glide, and maneuverability I am now between jobs so yaks are the top of the purchase list for the family when I get back to work. In the mean time we are having a ball trying out different rentals and day tripping.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #131
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great pictures of the hound!!!!! We'll be going this weekend. plan to hit the au sable, and the Jordan. I sold my Pungo this year and got a Liquid Logic XP10. Seems to be a great boat for being on the short side. Its considered a cross over boat. It has a more round bottom with a drop down skeg to make it track on calm water. So far I love it, but its a much smaller seating area and no room at all for a dog.
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The only negative withe the kayaks with large or open cockpits - spray. I kayak in spring and fall and use a skirt, the open design means dry suit or in the Natives they have cockpit covers but then the expense goes way up.
I won't be taking Eli with me all the time, so my others I have skirts for. God willing I will be out again in the spring.
If not I can make you a deal on 4 kayaks and gear with trailer.
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great pictures of the hound!!!!! We'll be going this weekend. plan to hit the au sable, and the Jordan. I sold my Pungo this year and got a Liquid Logic XP10. Seems to be a great boat for being on the short side. Its considered a cross over boat. It has a more round bottom with a drop down skeg to make it track on calm water. So far I love it, but its a much smaller seating area and no room at all for a dog.
That's a sister company to Native Water crafts
Seems similar to my Dagger Axis 10.5. I have a skeg on it too, and small cockpit.
My cockpits size in order smallest to biggest
Dagger Axis 10.5
Old Town Otter 9.5
Pelican Ultimate 100. (10') puppy fits but hull design it's tippy when he moves around.
Old Town Vapor 10. Pup fits great and is stable.
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A few pics from the Grayling Au Sable trip...

Gear Canoe loaded for 4 people, 2 days... Water, Food, Tents, Sleeping bags, and a change of clothes



Me, The captain of the gear barge.



The Wife...


The Wife and son in the Otter Kayaks


Both Son and Daughter navigating around a fallen tree. I think this one was still inside the city limits of Grayling.

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97xj, do you have a pic of your campsite? I rented and did a day trip down the Aux Sable and stopped at a campground. Can't remember the name, but would know if I saw it. Looks great.
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Padilen, best of luck with your medical situation. As an avid kayaker, I find some healing comfort and peace from the river.
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Thanks for posting pics.
Need to strap that stuff down good. If I'm around next year pm me I take you out on the PINE if you like fast. Muskegon or Manistee for slow.
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Padilen, best of luck with your medical situation. As an avid kayaker, I find some healing comfort and peace from the river.
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Need to strap that stuff down good. If I'm around next year pm me I take you out on the PINE if you like fast. Muskegon or Manistee for slow.
The Big Manistee downstream from Hodenpyl at Mesick is fast. Halfway down to Red Bridge it gets really slow though. Just did it last weekend in a canoe and the volume of water in some of the holes is simply staggering, made me way more nervous about dumping than the Pine ever has. Even though the water was low there were some pretty fun rapids and fast sweepers. It could be pretty intense on a high-volume day.

I really want to get to the Sturgeon River near Wolverine with a canoe sometime soon.

I'd also like to wish you best of luck with your heart! Hope it all turns out great, that is scary stuff.
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97xj, do you have a pic of your campsite? I rented and did a day trip down the Aux Sable and stopped at a campground. Can't remember the name, but would know if I saw it. Looks great.
There are a ton of places to camp along the Au Sable between Grayling and Mio.

Canoe Camp, White Pines, Ketstone, Rainbow Bend are some that I remember looking at during the planning stage.

Here is the only picture we have a Keystone.... It was site #6... but the picture is pretty generic. Ketstone has a set of stairs that lead up to the camp ground and you really can not see the river from the camp sites.




This is as we were leaving Rainbow Bend.... It was a "Oh we need a picture of this place." moment.

Rainbow had a few steps up... Maybe 10 or so. It also had some sites that you can see the river from the sites. As a matter of fact the sites are about 30 feet behind the split rail fence in the picture below.

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