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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:31 PM   #81
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Probably going out tomorrow fishing in the Yaks.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #82
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Probably going out tomorrow fishing in the Yaks.
Eek it's too cold
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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #83
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Have you kayaked before? Have you tried different ones in water? I have 2 entry level kayaks less then 200 each. Both have skirts. I also have an upgraded kayak, and skirt. Sounds like you plan on tamer water. Skirts are nice for rough water and colder weather. Is this something you will be paddling?
My cheap ones are just as much fun as my upgraded one. I have about 1500 in 3 kayaks a gear for all 3 and a home modded trailer and home made crossbars for jeep. Some kayaks cost more than that.
X2 on nicer weather needed. I haven't been since Nov. last year we kayaked in March.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #84
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Probably going out tomorrow fishing in the Yaks.
If I went lake fishing I'd still be ice fishing.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #85
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Have you tried different ones in water?
This is the biggest issue. My experience lies in using one of the Pelican/Potomac or whatever $200 Dunhams specials and I believe an Old Town Otter.

From these two experiences I have been able to glean that a more comfortable seat is on the top of my list, bar none. I also believe that I would like a more open cockpit as a few of the ones I have sat in in the stores as well feel kinda cramped.

As far as the skirt goes that's probably not a huge deal really. I doubt we will do much less than ideal weather kayaking, but the option would be nice to keep my pussy a little dry on those cooler days. Also I would like to be able to put a cover on them for storage and traveling. The Ascend D10 does not seem to be able to do this because there is no lip around the cockpit.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #86
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This is the biggest issue. My experience lies in using one of the Pelican/Potomac or whatever $200 Dunhams specials and I believe an Old Town Otter.

From these two experiences I have been able to glean that a more comfortable seat is on the top of my list, bar none. I also believe that I would like a more open cockpit as a few of the ones I have sat in in the stores as well feel kinda cramped.

As far as the skirt goes that's probably not a huge deal really. I doubt we will do much less than ideal weather kayaking, but the option would be nice to keep my pussy a little dry on those cooler days. Also I would like to be able to put a cover on them for storage and traveling. The Ascend D10 does not seem to be able to do this because there is no lip around the cockpit.
That's what my cheap ones are from Dunhams Pelican 10' and an Otter 9'6". Seat and covered storage is why I up graded to my Axis10.5. There are gel pads and other seat options too.
All of my current kayaks have smaller cockpits. Which I like, but I'm thinking about a Vapor or that style or a small canoe for my 4 th. I want my new puppy to be able to go with me.
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I had never kayaked, can't remember ever being on a river. I was 49 1/2 and bought one, I'm now almost 52 and have 3. I kayaked 16-20 times last year, of those maybe 3 on a lake.
If you ever travel north I'm always wanting to paddle.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #87
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You get what you pay for. If you are just going to go bobbing down a river or float leisurely around a lake the more inexpensive kayaks will be fine.

If you get into wanting to paddle any distance in a reasonable amount of time, even as a beginner you would notice the difference between an entry level and a mid level boat given the choice to try them back to back. Paddles are also huge - put a bit of money into one that fits the boat (wider needs longer) and is comfortable to you. Nothing is worse than a cheap boat combined with a cheap paddle.

Bigger cockpits are definitely nice for what you are looking for. You can put your knees up, hang your feet in the water, put a little cooler in front of you. You can find boats with larger cockpits that can also fit a skirt, which is a good option if you are paddling in cold weather. A skirt is also really nice if you want to play around in the big lake or some of the rivers up north.

P.S. If I were you I would probably try to find one at least 11'-12' long. Whatever you buy, at least it will track a bit rather than moving back and forth with each stroke.

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Old April 6th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #88
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I have a couple Vapor 10s and my wife and I love them. Granted, we aren't hardcore but they are great paddling boats and very stable. A few people that have paddled them have said they liked them better than their boats of comparable size and price range.

Regarding the seats, I don't really find them to be that bad. Again, I'm not hardcore but I've spent a few 5 and 6 hour days in them going up rivers and such and never had a problem. Old Towne offers a upgraded seat too but I've never bothered to buy one to try it out as I don't see it as much of a problem.

With all that side, if you plan on doing more lake kayaking, I'd certainly buy a longer better unit.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #89
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Eek it's too cold
It was really warm last night and this morning it is already 58 degrees. Gonna be a nice day but my yakking buddy has stuff to do so it looks like I am working instead.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 08:14 AM   #90
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Stayed warm here but windy.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 10:41 AM   #91
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is a good option if you are paddling in cold weather. A skirt is also really nice if you want to play around in the big lake or some of the rivers up north.
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even my decent perception harmony paddle will dribble water down the shaft and frequently into your lap if you get a decent 45 stroke/cadence going.

the old school wood paddle I have is even worse in that regard.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 10:53 AM   #92
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summit sports should be starting their demo rides here pretty soon. It gives you the chance to try different boats, different styles, etc. I've always thought going with an adjustable seat is a good idea, rather than the molded seats that are part of the kayak. It gives you some options for better comfort.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 12:43 PM   #93
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summit sports should be starting their demo rides here pretty soon. It gives you the chance to try different boats, different styles, etc. I've always thought going with an adjustable seat is a good idea, rather than the molded seats that are part of the kayak. It gives you some options for better comfort.
Do they demo the paddle boards? I want one but someone doesn't want me to get one :P
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Old April 7th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #94
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Summit sorts in Rochester is closed. Are there other locations? Rei rents kayaks to members. I'm not sure, but they might rent paddle boards too
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Old April 7th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #95
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yep, the Summit in Brighton moved late last year down the street from the old location closer to 96. The new store is huge compared to the old one. I'm not sure if they sell paddle boards.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:36 PM   #96
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We got a pair of wilderness system Pungo 120's a couple years ago.
Been using the chit out of them.

The wife did the demo night with summit at Stony Creek and tried a few different boats.
Ended up liking the stability of the Pungo.

Now I have a new Jeep, I need to decide how I want to carry them.
I had a Lange carrier on the TJ, but the brackets dont won't on the JK.
Might go with a trailer.

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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #97
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LOL

looking through this thread i realized I already posted that picture!
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Old April 7th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #98
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I may hold off until the Summit demo day in May.

I get that, like anything, you get what you pay for. But there is also a point of diminishing returns in spending too much on something that will not be my #1 hobby.

I think my number one concern is going to come down to seat comfort. I don't really care about how well it paddles. The goal of this hobby is also for physical activity, so if it makes me work harder to go farther I'm fine with that. But I'm more worried about back comfort vs ass comfort. The cheapies that I have tried with that fully molded seat seem to hit my back in a bad spot and cause problems.

I like the Perception at Duhams because it has an adjustable height seat...but wasn't a fan of the tight cockpit.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #99
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Paul, where was that picture taken? I have that exact kayak, its a very nice boat for sure.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #100
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I am in the market for another Yak. Something used and cheap for the GF.
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