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Old June 7th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #41
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Scooter_B, you need a major reality check. Your garage will be a messy pile of parts with little to no organization. As soon as you move in your garage will be filled from top to bottom, front to back with parts and un finished projects because that is what you own. If you really want to be organized and functional then turn off the hording desires and start to get rid of all of the shit that doesnt work, you dont need or will never finish. Im not trying to be a dick, just calling it as I see it. Start selling your crap, they make more every day. SELL
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not recommended, unles you are WT then go for it...which considering your past practices you just might fit the bill
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Old June 8th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #42
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Yeah, honestly, you will want to live and work in the garage for a while so you can figure out how it flows, what you need, etc. Everything can look good on paper but not pan out in reality.

now, once you are in, here are some things that for me, are nice to have:

lots of tool boxes. lots and lots of them. I really like the $350 red roller from harbor freight, for the money.

a tool cart is nice, too. A good low seat on wheels, and a good creeper

build yourself a steel rack, if you are welding and fabbing stuff. I have wall shelves for handling various long pieces of steel, and then a freestanding rack with bins for different sizes and types of small drops.

I love having a hydraulic press (cheap 20 ton HF one) and a horizonal bandsaw (25 yr old cheap 4x6 like they sell at HF today). I use them for all kinds of household jobs, surprisingly.

lots and lots of shelves with bins.

lots of lighting.

build a stand for your grinder. Have more than one grinder.

good metal topped workbench.

trans jack, since you can't have a hoist. the adapters that go on regular jacks are tall and suck

You have jackstands already, but, buy more.

garage stereo and TV.

garage shop vac (I use it for vacuuming metal chips off tools, so I don't like to use it inside, I have a dedicated one for the garage. its smaller and rectangle, so fits on a shelf when I'm not using it. ).
I agree with this almost word for word. When I lived with my parents I made the garage work as-is and discovered what was a PITA, what worked, what I wanted different, etc. Now that I'm in my own place I'm in the middle of setting up my own garage(approx 25x25) for maximum productivity and as efficient a use of space as possible. It fits Jesus 's suggestions very closely.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 07:49 AM   #43
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The best thing i've done so far is build a huge shelf going all the way around my garage. Getting all the crap out of the working space has made a huge difference. I didn't realize it at first but all the fuel cans, paint cans, helmets, spare parts, lawn equiptment etc etc really takes up floor space. I filled a 120 sq. ft. shelf and still need more room.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 08:28 AM   #44
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Oh, forgot to mention it, get a good size vice or two, and have one somewhere that is secure enough to chuck large items. My largest vice weighes probably 150 lbs and can hold a complete axle housing. (Of course its sitting on the floor because I have no where to put it right now).

Don't be afraid of cheap stuff. Get it, if you use it enough to justify a nice expensive one, then upgrade.


I can't wait to get out of my present 20x20garage. I moved to a smaller one when I sold my last house and moved to this one. I can't fit half of my larger machine tools in this place. Will be breaking ground on a 30x40 barn in a month or two, though...
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Old June 8th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #45
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Oh, forgot to mention it, get a good size vice or two, and have one somewhere that is secure enough to chuck large items. My largest vice weighes probably 150 lbs and can hold a complete axle housing. (Of course its sitting on the floor because I have no where to put it right now).

Don't be afraid of cheap stuff. Get it, if you use it enough to justify a nice expensive one, then upgrade.


I can't wait to get out of my present 20x20garage. I moved to a smaller one when I sold my last house and moved to this one. I can't fit half of my larger machine tools in this place. Will be breaking ground on a 30x40 barn in a month or two, though...
............and/or Craigslist used.

I cant agree more
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:03 AM   #46
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Make up a table for beating the shit out of steel.

I have one about 8"x24" with a small vise on it. 1/2" thick steel plate. More useful than an anvil.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:03 AM   #47
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Oh, forgot to mention it, get a good size vice or two, and have one somewhere that is secure enough to chuck large items. My largest vice weighes probably 150 lbs and can hold a complete axle housing. (Of course its sitting on the floor because I have no where to put it right now).

Don't be afraid of cheap stuff. Get it, if you use it enough to justify a nice expensive one, then upgrade.


I can't wait to get out of my present 20x20garage. I moved to a smaller one when I sold my last house and moved to this one. I can't fit half of my larger machine tools in this place. Will be breaking ground on a 30x40 barn in a month or two, though...
I would rather burn money than buy cheap shit...I have no problem buying used if its a quality item, but I cant stand junk and I would rather go without.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #48
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not recommended, unles you are WT then go for it...which considering your past practices you just might fit the bill
Im WT, but i put the naked chicks inside the cabinets.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #49
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Im WT, but i put the naked chicks inside the cabinets.
WT do not hide the pron...I'm guessing you have misjudged yourself
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Old June 8th, 2012, 09:59 AM   #50
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Old June 8th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #53
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I would rather burn money than buy cheap shit...I have no problem buying used if its a quality item, but I cant stand junk and I would rather go without.
X 2. I worked for my bro in law for a month right after I graduated. He had a bunch of cheap harbor freight stuff in his shop, which I promptly broke. At one point we had a pile of broken vices 6 deep. Buy quality tools and put your name on them. 95% of the nice stuff I have bought and no longer have was lost due to theft.
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If it is something you will use often, or most likely break on the first use, then spend the money and buy good quality. If it is something you have a use for but only rarely, and a cheap one will suffice, then get the HB tool and save the money for something else. There's no need in spending $200 on a Snap On 2" wrench that you will only use once, when you can get the job done with a $30 wrench from HB. The key is knowing which tools you can skimp on, and save the money to put towards the higher dollar stuff that you will use more often. If it is something that would just be "nice to have" but you never use it, then every penny spent on it is wasted, whether its a cheap one or not.

It would be nice to just call Snap On and have them ship out every product in their catalog, but in the real world where most of us live, that's not feasible. I spin wrenches for a living, and have been for 20 years. I have more invested in tools then I do in either house, and that's just the ones I have at work, not counting the (almost) complete other set I have at home. I have plenty of stuff from Snap On, Mac, Matco, etc. but also have alot from Craftsman, Napa, Harbour Freight, and countless other makes. They all have their place.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #55
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As for setting up the garage, dont. Move your shit in, and shove it all in a corner. Get out what you need when you need it, and then find a home for it. Whatever is left in that corner in a few months, scrap it without looking at it (if you look through it, you will undoubtedly decide most of it needs to stay, when it really doesn't). Everything will find its new home on its own, whether that be on a shelf or in the scrap yard.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 12:16 PM   #56
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If it is something you will use often, or most likely break on the first use, then spend the money and buy good quality. If it is something you have a use for but only rarely, and a cheap one will suffice, then get the HB tool and save the money for something else. There's no need in spending $200 on a Snap On 2" wrench that you will only use once, when you can get the job done with a $30 wrench from HB. The key is knowing which tools you can skimp on, and save the money to put towards the higher dollar stuff that you will use more often. If it is something that would just be "nice to have" but you never use it, then every penny spent on it is wasted, whether its a cheap one or not.

It would be nice to just call Snap On and have them ship out every product in their catalog, but in the real world where most of us live, that's not feasible. I spin wrenches for a living, and have been for 20 years. I have more invested in tools then I do in either house, and that's just the ones I have at work, not counting the (almost) complete other set I have at home. I have plenty of stuff from Snap On, Mac, Matco, etc. but also have alot from Craftsman, Napa, Harbour Freight, and countless other makes. They all have their place.
sorry, I don't skimp on tools...the key is having enough money to buy a quaility tool when you need it and not have to worry about it even if you only use it once. If the tool you bought was cheaper than paying someone to do it for you then you are ahead and haven't wasted a dime.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #57
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You must waste a metric shitload of money then. If you want to do that, its your money, do as you please. That doesn't mean its the best option for anyone else.
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Thats personal preference, of course, buying cheap vs expensive.

And its very subjective, depends entirely on what it is, what you are doing with it, how much you will use it, etc.

Examples:

Paint gun, I needed to paint a trail rig, not nice, just better than rattle can. Got a HF gun, worked fine. Didn't anticipate using it again any time soon.

Sawzall, Grinders, Portaband, Drills, etc, are all DeWalt or Milwaukee, I use the piss out of them, those are brands I used as a pro contractor, so I use them at home.


I have things that I bought cheap to see if I'd use it (simple plasma cutter) or I needed it right now and HF was the only place to get it at the moment (hydraulic press)... always intended to get new ones, but here it is 8-9 years later and they are still working great.

I don't like HF hand tools for basic tools, or handheld power tool. Have had good luck when I need cheap air tools there, hydraulics, tool boxes, some of their machine tools.

Some people want a $15k toolbox, some people are ok with $500, whatever works for you.

But you will get a lot more done with a $200 press, $200 band saw, then $400 in your pocket and none of those things.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 12:46 PM   #59
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The best thing i've done so far is build a huge shelf going all the way around my garage. Getting all the crap out of the working space has made a huge difference. I didn't realize it at first but all the fuel cans, paint cans, helmets, spare parts, lawn equiptment etc etc really takes up floor space. I filled a 120 sq. ft. shelf and still need more room.

Agreed. I hate having the floor space in my garage cluttered.
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You must waste a metric shitload of money then. If you want to do that, its your money, do as you please. That doesn't mean its the best option for anyone else.
its how I buy my tools. I buy the best i can afford and just write it off on my taxes. I dont have a huge amount of tools, but the ones i do have are quality and are rebuildable and warrantied. when you are 90 miles from a store you bring the best out in the field. tools, clothes, boots and guns, buy the best quality you can get and they last. Big name does not necessarily mean good quality.
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