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Old September 11th, 2012, 03:36 PM   #121
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I have not been to a couple of the places you are talking about going. I am excited!!
Will your jeep handle a 100 mile day?
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Old September 11th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #122
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Will your jeep handle a 100 mile day?


I was going to PM you about that.. Are you seriously thinking 100 miles a day? My fuel cell is only 15 gallons so I prob would need to carry at least another 5 gallons to make it that far.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 06:04 PM   #123
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This trip makes me miss my TJ. Sounds exactly like my cup of tea.

Make sure you guys are still doing trips like this in like 4-5 years.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #124
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I was going to PM you about that.. Are you seriously thinking 100 miles a day? My fuel cell is only 15 gallons so I prob would need to carry at least another 5 gallons to make it that far.
Yes. I'll map out some actual miles.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #125
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This trip makes me miss my TJ. Sounds exactly like my cup of tea.

Make sure you guys are still doing trips like this in like 4-5 years.
I've been doing them for almost 30 now in the same spot. You'd think I would get the hang of this crap but every time we find a great trail, we use it for a few years and they go and dedicate a Provencial Park right along the river for almost 50 miles. Or they go and put up a wind farm and bisect a great trail right in half. This years exploration is about to fall prey to the same issues of increases in polulation, more infrastructure, and more development as Canada slowly becomes more dependant on energy just like the rest of us.

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I was going to PM you about that.. Are you seriously thinking 100 miles a day? My fuel cell is only 15 gallons so I prob would need to carry at least another 5 gallons to make it that far.
That almost sounded like a panic attack! lol Friday is the big day. Just to get to the tracks is almost a two hour ride @ 20 mph. If you've run 38rd before you know 20 mph average is dam near pro rally speeds on some sections. It's 75 to 80 km just to the tracks depending on what way we take up there.
I know we'll gas up just before we jump into the woods and depending on where/when we come out we could get fuel on 17 but I'll have to see where the closest fuel is when we're up by Montreal. We do get close to 17 but don't come out till farther south if we stay true to finding the connector to the established Carp River trail. I suspect only a few might be scraping the bottom. I may bring a gallon or two but don't think I'll need it. Minimize idling and keeping the right foot light should be all that's required.
Saturday will be much shorter with going to the Mine and maybe the tower and what ever else is decided on.

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Approx 20 miles of pavement.
Then approx 25 miles of gravel.
Then we hit the trails.
18 miles of rugged trails will bring us out at a fantastic sight to see.

Then............. we'll decide on our return trip based on timing.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #127
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soooooo wish i was going. this is why i sold the buggy to build a full bodied rig. but to many bugs to work out before a long trip in the woods.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 07:16 AM   #128
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Certainly not the place to have breakdowns is it Nick. Dejavu Trail 17!
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Old September 12th, 2012, 07:17 AM   #129
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That almost sounded like a panic attack! lol Friday is the big day. Just to get to the tracks is almost a two hour ride @ 20 mph. If you've run 38rd before you know 20 mph average is dam near pro rally speeds on some sections. It's 75 to 80 km just to the tracks depending on what way we take up there.
I know we'll gas up just before we jump into the woods and depending on where/when we come out we could get fuel on 17 but I'll have to see where the closest fuel is when we're up by Montreal. We do get close to 17 but don't come out till farther south if we stay true to finding the connector to the established Carp River trail. I suspect only a few might be scraping the bottom. I may bring a gallon or two but don't think I'll need it. Minimize idling and keeping the right foot light should be all that's required.
Saturday will be much shorter with going to the Mine and maybe the tower and what ever else is decided on.

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No panic attack here I just want to make sure I am carrying enough fuel. Yeah, 38 mile road can get pretty rough.
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OK, I have worked out a basic route for Friday that kb8ymf approves of.
Start at 8:00 am
20 miles pavement
25 miles gravel
20 miles trails.

Gets us to intended lunch spot at noon.

46 miles of trails and 2 tracks on the return trip to pavement. This trip will include a stop at the mine and some scenic river stops. Estimate for this leg is 6 1/2 - 7 hours.

26 miles pavement back to camp.

So, we will leave at 8 and return around 8 covering a minimum of 140 miles.

Everyone should plan on extra food & water, a change of clothes and extra gas for this trip as there is no gas near anywhere along our route.

I will also say that for a trip of this length, I believe it should be mandatory for every rig to have a working CB. If someone breaks down, gets hung up, whatever, I don't want the entire group to have to turn around and go back only to find out someone was cinching up a ratchet strap.

It should be a great trip.

Now to start working on Saturday's route. By the way, we are changing some of our plans as Jim has discovered a wind mill development that negates some areas.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #131
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Sounds like an awesome trip... Sure wish I could have made it happen...
Have fun and post lots of pics please!!
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Old September 12th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #132
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I don't think that there has been any work done with regards to the windmill area... I believe the powers and the greenies are still fighting it out... I have been wrong before though... Once that I remember, but my wife tells me different...
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I don't think that there has been any work done with regards to the windmill area... I believe the powers and the greenies are still fighting it out... I have been wrong before though... Once that I remember, but my wife tells me different...
True, Jim received confirmation that it's still in the planning/permit stages. However, part of the focus of this trip is to confirm routes for a future GG. So, no point in exploring and scouting out trails that are likely to be closed in the next couple of years.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 02:56 PM   #134
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Yeah there are apparently two projects up there pending MNR and local approval. One is Bow Lake and the other Mica Bay. Bow Lake seems to be further along as Mica Bay just had their first public hearing one week ago. The VP of the company sent me the poster boards they had up on ther walls for the residents and some artist renditions of wind turbines and of what is likely to be seen from specific locations including Hwy 17.
Like Jim said we are primarily scouting and exploring but doing it with a bit of a plan which includes agonizing over Google aerial topography and remapping the visible trails that in some case don't quite agree with the roads shown on the Garmin Topo.
So we are interested in the 'scouting' trip that is taking place and look forward to seeing what they may find. Especially in the Pancake Lake area for future investigation.
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My rig finally moved out of the garage under its own power... It hasn't done that since March... As soon as my rear shaft and T-case yoke come home to rest, I'll be getting it out on a beat down run... The only thing that I have not changed is the frame, motor and body, but I did have the motor on the engine crane for a day or two... Have no fear, it will be more than ready to wheel by then...
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My rig finally moved out of the garage under its own power... It hasn't done that since March... As soon as my rear shaft and T-case yoke come home to rest, I'll be getting it out on a beat down run... The only thing that I have not changed is the frame, motor and body, but I did have the motor on the engine crane for a day or two... Have no fear, it will be more than ready to wheel by then...
If not we have an open seat in the back of the JK
Have I mentioned I am excited to anyone
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If not we have an open seat in the back of the JK
Have I mentioned I am excited to anyone
There might be a person interested.................
Let's see if I can flush him out, or her.............
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Yeah there are apparently two projects up there pending MNR and local approval. One is Bow Lake and the other Mica Bay. Bow Lake seems to be further along as Mica Bay just had their first public hearing one week ago. The VP of the company sent me the poster boards they had up on ther walls for the residents and some artist renditions of wind turbines and of what is likely to be seen from specific locations including Hwy 17.
Like Jim said we are primarily scouting and exploring but doing it with a bit of a plan which includes agonizing over Google aerial topography and remapping the visible trails that in some case don't quite agree with the roads shown on the Garmin Topo.
So we are interested in the 'scouting' trip that is taking place and look forward to seeing what they may find. Especially in the Pancake Lake area for future investigation.
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The Pancake Lake area is pretty tough after they logged it a few years ago. We went through there right after they logged it and could not find our trails. I have not been back to that area in a couple years.
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